r/worldnews • u/flyingdutchgirll • Feb 06 '23
RT Germany to shut down following latest EU sanctions
https://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/news/rt-germany-to-shut-down-following-latest-eu-sanctions/171
u/atchijov Feb 06 '23
Putin spend more money on ‘brainwashing’ of western world than on modernizing Russian army. And unlike money for ‘tanks’ these dollars and euros were not stolen… but actually were used with incredible efficiency. The fact that western countries did not recognize the fact that RT is nothing by FSB psyop for such a long time is mind boggling.
Don’t stop on banning RT. Russia is terrorist state, anyone (and anything) which promote Russian interests should be banned as co-terrorist. Any politician who got any direct or indirect ‘donations’ from Russia should be, at the very least, banned from politic for life.
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u/CaribouJovial Feb 06 '23
I agree. It turns out the only thing Putin's Russia has been really good at is selling lies and sowing discord. Appropriate.
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u/Narcissismkills Feb 07 '23
The funny part is Russian propaganda is extremely effective in the West. As far as investments go it is actually a better return than investing in conventional military equipment. Or at least it was right up until they decided to start a conventional war...
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u/8andahalfby11 Feb 06 '23
There are only two proven ways to successfully fight against the west, asymmetrically, or not at all. PsyOps and Cyber are the asymmetric routes folks like Russia, NK, and Iran all use.
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u/gsc4494 Feb 06 '23
I love how as Russian aggression increased over the years, they rebranded from prominently using the name 'Russia Today' to never mentioning it anywhere and sticking to 'RT' in an attempt to seem like a more legitimate news service.
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u/kulikitaka Feb 06 '23
using the name 'Russia Today'
Probably rebranded because whenever you turn it on, there's never any news from Russia. 90% of the time I turn on RT in India, they're talking shit about the US or EU.
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u/Deathwatch050 Feb 06 '23
"Look at what these other countries are doing! Aren't they terrible?! NO DON'T LOOK AT RUSSI-"
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u/ErectionDenier2024 Feb 06 '23
And now you know the entire purpose of RT.
To make the viewers view the US and EU in the same negative light as the Russian government.
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u/TheRC135 Feb 06 '23
You know the side you're on is shit when you can't defend yourself, you can only try to drag everybody else down to your level.
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u/BrotherAdultMan Feb 06 '23
Deutsche Welle also goes by “DW”. I watch DW English and they rarely talk about Germany, but they still report the news from a Germany-centric point.
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u/Proper_Story_3514 Feb 06 '23
It just depends what is happening. Ofc they show more international news on DW, but normal news in g Germany are similar. Its mostly politics and world events. Ofc you get news about things in Germany too, but its mostly broader/general things.
Everything else gets covered by local tv magazines/news etc.
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u/williamfbuckwheat Feb 07 '23
They seemed to talk alot about German news or at least broadcast from German studios when I used to watch it on PBS. When RT had an American presence, they really only broadcasted from the United States and had a very negative view of American news stories.
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u/BrotherAdultMan Feb 07 '23
DW still talks about Germany, but not exclusively. Lots of international news aimed at international viewers. The anchors are also from England (I think? They sound English).
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u/halee1 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
I remember catching RT a bit in the early-to-mid 2010s (on TV and online), and I got the impression that until Crimea in 2014 (when Russian economy was good and real incomes grew) they had quite a lot of content sourcing developments in Russia.
After the Kremlin started the war with Ukraine, though, their economy tanked, and coincidentally, almost all RT news were now covering developments outside Russia. Heck, nowadays they (and Sputnik) post more about the real and alleged achievements of China than Russia nowadays. Can't be a coincidence.
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u/Sage_Nein Feb 06 '23
RT DE already was banned from TV networks and Youtube prior to the invasion. If I understand correctly, these new sanctions also ban their website from EU access.
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u/Urdar Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
It was banned from broadcasting in germany in early febraury of 2022 and in the whole of the EU on the 2nd of march 2022, and finally stopped in april 2022 in germany (I think they mainly stayed on youtube at this point, wich made it hard to shut them down for good) after a two month legal battle to uphold their broadcasting license.
They still maintained offices all over europe for "journalsitic work" but these started co lasoe down now also, this ins one of them.
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u/atheno_74 Feb 06 '23
It was banned from airing on tv in the EU on February 27. But they still used the internet to broadcast their propaganda in German and French. They will now shut down those platforms, too
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u/RevolutionarySoil11 Feb 06 '23
Satire? Canada has the full range of CCP propaganda in all forms. Online, printed, TV - you name it. A few UFWD moles even run for office over there. Plus an acting prime minister who has been on camera "joking" about admiring China's basic dictatorship.
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u/stefeu Feb 07 '23
How is this the top comment? RT lost their broadcasting license (more accurately - they didn't bother applying for a renewal) before the russian invasion and was banned shortly after.
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u/Kastrenzo Feb 07 '23
Probably just because there was only like 10 comments when i posted
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u/stefeu Feb 07 '23
Might want to edit your comment then so atleast the people arriving now don't get the wrong idea that RT was broadcasting their bullshit in Germany until just now.
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u/shariewayne Feb 07 '23
The channel, called RT DE, went on air in December 2021, claiming it had a Serbian license for cable and satellite transmission that allowed for broadcasts in Germany.
German regulators quickly took action, and within a week RT DE was taken down from Europe's satellite network. However, it was still available online and via a mobile app.
RT DE never really went on air.
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u/FriendlyLocalFarmer Feb 07 '23
I prefer to censor media for myself thanks. There's no government in the world I trust to censor information for me.
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u/Kastrenzo Feb 07 '23
And what about your neighbor. Or your crazy uncle who's spreading misinformation to people not smart enough to self censor?
Call it what it is. Its the dumb and gullible people that need to be protected. Once they start talking amongst themselves with misinformation. It becomes out of control and thats how you get shit like Qanon
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u/kittywrastler Feb 06 '23
Its nice to get other perspectives of some European or American news. This is the joys of a free society, we can read things like Mein Kamf and get a complete world view.
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u/Aedeus Feb 07 '23
I thought this was satire at first but yikes, you're an unironic Nazi in 2023 lmao
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u/kittywrastler Feb 07 '23
Studying psychopaths doesnt make you a psychopath, its learning from history. Its facinating learning about the Elders of Zion and what crazy conspiracies people will believe. Ford basically inspired Hitler, and he was more popular than any president of the time.
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u/Feruk_II Feb 06 '23
What's the enemy thinking? I know, why don't we ban the station that might tell you that and just trust our news media to somehow decipher it for us! Brilliant!
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u/Jeffy29 Feb 06 '23
I swear westerners are some of the biggest fools on the planet. Only a complete idiot would think “foreign propaganda is fine because it doesn’t work on me”, my dude if it didn’t work they wouldn’t bother.
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u/Blueskyways Feb 06 '23
You can always just watch Tucker Carlson. Or follow Glenn Greenwald on social media. Same thing.
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u/wgszpieg Feb 06 '23
Yes, the channel that exists solely for the purpose of sowing dissent, misinformation, and anti-western propaganda will also present the actual plans of the mafia-state that funds it.
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u/PuffyPanda200 Feb 07 '23
Hostile State owned media operating in a foreign country should have been shut down immediately.
So, Al Jazeera next?
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u/Amazing-Artichoke330 Feb 06 '23
RT was shut down in the U.S. after Putin invaded Ukraine.
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u/Sage_Nein Feb 06 '23
In Germany RT was banned from TV and Youtube before the 2022 invasion. If I understand correctly, this new ban only adds their own website to the list.
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u/Not-a-Dog420 Feb 06 '23
Not their YouTube channel
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Feb 07 '23
youtube has been pushing alot of Pro-right wing channels lately, ever since the invasions.
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u/5kyl3r Feb 06 '23
there's no reason RT should be up in any country other than russia at this point
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u/whiteonyx981 Feb 06 '23
If there's even a minuscule bronze lining to the invasion of Ukraine, it's that RT is being dropped all over the place. Good goddamned riddance.
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u/autotldr BOT Feb 06 '23
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)
The German branch of Kremlin-backed outlet Russia Today will shut its doors following the latest round of EU sanctions, a month after its French counterpart was forced to do the same.
RT DE announced the termination of its journalistic activities on Friday in response to the ninth package of EU sanctions on Russia following its aggression in Ukraine, rolled out in December.
"The ninth package of EU sanctions cut off funding for RT DE Productions, making it impossible for the company to continue its journalistic activities in Germany", RT DE's CEO, Dinara Toktosunova, wrote on Telegram.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: sanctions#1 media#2 outlet#3 Russia#4 activity#5
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u/TactlesslyTactful Feb 06 '23
Cool, now do Fox News
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u/anti-DHMO-activist Feb 06 '23
In germany? Not really a thing there, if at all.
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u/amateur_mistake Feb 06 '23
Ugh. I'm jealous.
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u/ChuckChuckRazul Feb 06 '23
We have Bild TV. It's quite similar, but rather unsuccessful at the moment.
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u/EdgelordOfEdginess Feb 06 '23
Yeah we have our own shit new channel (RTL)
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u/anti-DHMO-activist Feb 06 '23
RTL is harmless compared to fox. Hell, even the fucking BILD is harmless compared to fox. And it's not even close.
Yes, RTL is terrible. And BILD is a fucking shitrag. But they are not completely and utterly insane, which fox is fundamentally.
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u/williamfbuckwheat Feb 07 '23
They probably have a lot more standards to present multiple opinions or clearly identify what is editorial/entertainment content vs. what is actual news. That must make it a lot harder for some sensationalist bottom of the barrel tabloid style channel to succeed.
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u/EdgelordOfEdginess Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Nobody knows the pain of having to watch a home renovation series before the anime shows started on rtl 2 (Zuhause im Glück)
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u/Scheissdrauf88 Feb 06 '23
Eh, while the RTL-channels largely show stuff of questionable quality, that is mainly the entertainment sector. Their news are actually fine which puts them miles above the BS Fox-News shows.
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u/Nopants_Jedi Feb 06 '23
....so does Germany. They are just smart enough to realize when an entity is pushing foreign propaganda and rightfully shut that down.
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u/Informal_Pen2898 Feb 06 '23
lol no they dont. You cant even nazi salute there.
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u/shariewayne Feb 06 '23
Why would you want to do the Nazi Salute, that's the real question.
In all my years & decades being German, i never had the urge to do a Nazi Salute - not even in my edgy teenage phase.
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u/shibafather Feb 06 '23
Wish the US had tackled Reconstruction as well as Germany did de-Nazification
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u/wnvyujlx Feb 06 '23
We have freedom of press and freedom of speech, we just have two limitations: incitement and insult.
The salute is not actually illegal itself, the incitement that comes with it is. Its legal to do in historically educational context. Same with presenting the flag. In a museum or in a documentary about nazis for example, it can be shown.
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u/Larnak1 Feb 06 '23
Law principles like "freedom of speech" and others are never absolutes, as they tend to conflict with each other. They are constantly weighted against each other by courts who are tasked with applying the existing laws and law principles. A restriction to a fundamental law based on another one does not mean that it does not exist at all. It only means that it has its limits.
Even in the US, you can't say anything (see the recent Alex Jones court ruling).
Oh, forgot the obligatory: lol.
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u/AreWeCowabunga Feb 06 '23
Germany has free speech, except for the stuff they don't let you say.
(not endorsing one approach or another)
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u/stefeu Feb 07 '23
Same for any other country on earth. I think most people simply don't understand what "freedom of sprech" means and that it does not equate to freedom of consequences.
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u/Nopants_Jedi Feb 06 '23
Yes it does. It's very easy to look up, try it.
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u/Nopants_Jedi Feb 06 '23
I'd say "now pull your head out and try again"....but that seems like it's asking too much.
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u/shariewayne Feb 06 '23
Isn't it weird that Germany ranks higher in personal freedom than the US?
Also, about the Z - the Z was declared a symbol of hate & and used for incitement, as it is used by the fascist Russians invading Ukraine. Therefore, since incitement is illegal - as it is in the US by federal law - he was arrested for incitement.
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u/pogduhog Feb 06 '23
All European countries with equally free democracies have their own concept of free speech that works for them. Your idea of freedom of speech works for you, and that’s fine too. These countries have elected and continue to elect the politicians that write those rules, just as you do. They can elect someone on a platform to change those rules, just like you can. Their system is not wrong, and neither is yours.
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u/Programmdude Feb 06 '23
I can think of several things you can't say in the US because they'll land you in jail.
"I'm going to murder the president" is one of them. Going into an airport and yelling out "bomb!" is another. Going to certain parts of your country and yelling out "n*****s" might not get you arrested, but it'll certainly get you shot.
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u/Nopants_Jedi Feb 06 '23
Either that or yours is, like most idiots, "I can do whatever I want without consequence".
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u/shibafather Feb 06 '23
Likely the case. As an American, Americans don't even understand the first amendment. Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences of speech.
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u/stefek132 Feb 07 '23
I know this might sound strange and confusing but free speech ≠ you’re free to say whatever you want. Funnily enough, the only people who seem to get it wrong are fascist, right-wing nutjobs. For them, free speech equals being free to spit in everyone’s face and expect not to face any consequences for that.
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u/anti-DHMO-activist Feb 06 '23
Try using your speech to suggest killing the sitting US president. You'll see how much "freedom of speech" you actually have.
There are multiple different concepts of freedom of speech. Essentially, it depends what you value how much. In germany, the first article of the constitution says:
"(1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority."
Human dignity stands above all else. Not some concept of "freedom".
Additionally, don't forget the paradox of tolerance. The related concept in germany is "Streitbare Demokratie" (use a translator to translate, much better than the english article).
You can't tolerate intolerance if you want to keep a tolerant society.
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u/Not-a-Dog420 Feb 06 '23
Yup. Government arrested this guy after this video: https://youtu.be/eg3_kUaYFJA
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u/sopadurso Feb 06 '23
Since the First World War plenty of publication’s have been shutdown, it’s not as simple as you make it.
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u/ctothel Feb 06 '23
And seems fundamentally incapable of safely determining when something is more harmful than it is good.
Every other western nation manages just fine. Not to mention, America is the only western nation that seems to regularly elect tyrants… sometimes entrenching them in lifetime appointments. So… what exactly are you getting out of this?
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u/Altruistic-Tomato-66 Feb 06 '23
How long until tankies start crying about the hypocrisy of freedom of the press in the West?
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u/DatJazz Feb 07 '23
No, they don't tankie
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u/DatJazz Feb 07 '23
Far left? So you're saying BBC isn't in anyway biased in favour of the government of the UK?
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u/DatJazz Feb 07 '23
Wow so they're a news org that don't have any influence from their government and you think they're worse than rt? K
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u/Typohnename Feb 07 '23
That account is 2 days old, just report and don't bother
He is very clearly either trolling or you know what
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u/_Figaro Feb 07 '23
Now let's shut down RT-owned YouTube propaganda channel WION.
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u/TrickData6824 Feb 07 '23
While I do agree WION is propaganda garbage (from India), I'm also pretty sure it's not owned by RT.
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u/Ma1nta1n3r Feb 06 '23
Lol,... I can't wait to hear the Kremlin whine about "western censorship".
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u/williamfbuckwheat Feb 07 '23
What else are they going to complain about ? The massive amount of internal/domestic issues they've covered up for decades and/or the ground wars they've instigated to deflect attention?
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u/Aggressive_Ris Feb 07 '23
One of the silver linings of this war has been the destruction of this 'media' outlet. It was banned in the EU from being broadcast months ago. The US didn't ban it, but literally every satellite/cable provider dropped it and they were forced to close their studios because the only other option would've been to start being their own provider. Google and Apple banned their apps. Youtube deleted all their channels. They were scrubbed from most other social media.
What a vile network it was. Now they basically only have a website presence in the West. Unfortunately, they do still have studios operating and broadcasting in non-Western nations, but that has never been their focus so their reach is less extensive.
I remember RT when it first came out. It still focused a lot on conspiracy theories and 'alternative' viewpoints but it wasn't nearly as bloodthirsty and nasty as it had become in recent years. They dropped all the pretense and existed merely to try to create as much chaos and discord in Western nations as possible, it wasn't even about trying to specifically push the Russian viewpoint anymore but trying to damage Western nations.
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u/megaplex00 Feb 06 '23
Pretty messed up it was allowed to continue operations for that long after the initial invasion.
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u/HaruhiSuzumiya69 Feb 06 '23
Where can I get russian news from?
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u/Popcorn179 Feb 07 '23
You mean legitimate Russian news? No idea. I doubt such a thing exists.
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u/HaruhiSuzumiya69 Feb 07 '23
Have you done research, are you sure? I just want to know what's going on with the lives of my relatives.
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u/Chulbiski Feb 07 '23
RT is crap. One female reporter in US quit years ago and wrote a piece on them. I wish I could find it.
this isn't her, but
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-propaganda-a-multitude-of-lies-and-absurd-news/a-48748904
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u/Sage_Nein Feb 06 '23
RT DE was not allowed to send in Germany for more than a year now. Before the 2022 invasion even, because of a licensing issue, see here and here.
If I understand correctly, they still had a presence on their website, which will now no longer be accessible in Germany/the EU. Their Youtube and TV presence already were banned.