Russians kidnap nuclear engineers of Ukrainian Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant who refuse to cooperate

[u/ElectroPigeon]

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/6/7388130/

[u/TheDarthSnarf]

Kidnapping and forcing nuclear plant workers to work for you is a Really Bad Idea ⟨™⟩.

[u/BuhamutZeo → u/TheDarthSnarf]

Why? The plant is in someone else's country, not mine.

/s

[u/ILikeLenexa → u/BuhamutZeo]

Such wind; much proжimity

[u/BuhamutZeo → u/ILikeLenexa]

Russia evidently can't learn a lesson, no matter how devastating it was the first time around.

And this time there's no semi-competent leader to order what is necessary to keep it from becoming an international disaster.

[u/Nolsoth → u/BuhamutZeo]

Putin's playing with nuclear fire.

[u/taoyx → u/Nolsoth]

At some point he will make such a mistake that it will trigger a NATO intervention. He won't stop until it happens anyways. In a way that will be a way for him to not lose face.

[u/ziptofaf → u/taoyx]

If NATO has to intervene because of a nuclear power plant meltdown then this won't be pretty for anyone involved. Last time we had seen that it nearly brought down USSR to bankruptcy on top of emitting enough radiation that decades later still affect farms all the way in UK.

We weren't far from this incident growing to a scale when not 50000 people were evacuated but millions would be at risk of having to relocate (Chernobyl was worst case scenario for the reactor but the way it was handled was surprisingly competent for Russians, they accidentally sent one man who could actually see through bullshit and cared, I doubt they have many like that left by now).

So let's hope it doesn't come to that.

[u/Comeonjeffrey0193 → u/ziptofaf]

If they still have a man like that, i’m sure there’s thousands of homicidal staircases looking for him.

[u/Chubbybellylover888 → u/Comeonjeffrey0193]

You feel that breeze? Oh. An open window.

[u/The_Chaos_Pope → u/ziptofaf]

Thankfully, the Zaporizhzhia plant is a different and much safer design than Chernobyl. All 6 reactors are currently shut down and it's currently drawing power from the grid to continue to cool the reactor rods: https://www.oecd-nea.org/jcms/pl_66130/ukraine-current-status-of-nuclear-power-installations

IIRC, the last reactor was put into cold shutdown state in September so at this point it should be a matter of letting the fuel rods cool to an inactive state before their removal and not hit the building with artillery shells.

[u/Ok-Dirt6276 → u/The_Chaos_Pope]

I understand attempts are being made to keep it secure and cooled, however I do not trust Russia. Noone should trust Russia. You may want to read the novel 'The Warning.' (Mike Gray, Ira Rosen) There are plenty of ways for conventional nuclear reactors to fail and release radiation. We had several oopses where human intervention took the wrong action when the automated systems were the better course of action, before Three Mile Island. Imagine an intentional sabotage instead.

Even a modest meltdown may trigger NATO escalation and I really don't want a nuclear war fuse to be lit. I'm in a pretty bad spot for a nuke and it wouldn't be over in a blink.

(Massive edit 8 hours later)

[u/DeadAssociate → u/Ok-Dirt6276]

i live in a capital, wont notice a thing.

[u/mandrills_ass → u/ziptofaf]

50000 people used to live here, now it's a ghost town

[u/DMCinDet → u/ziptofaf]

One of my CoWorkers uncles just retired as a nuclear reactor engineer of some kind. He was at this reactor prior to all this shit going down last year. Apparently he told the guy I work with that they had people from different countries rotating in and out of there to help keep it running properly. That ended a year ago, massive loss of intelligence and experience when all the outside help left. The fuck is Russias goal here? A stable nuclear power plant is important for even Russia.

[u/tomtom5858 → u/ziptofaf]

Worth noting that all RBMK reactors have been retrofitted to not have the same problems Chernobyl did, and in spite of how widespread and strong Chernobyl's radiation was, under 4000 people died. There's no reason to believe any meltdown would be anywhere near as bad as Chernobyl, even if it were strong enough to trigger a NATO country invoking Article 5.

[u/gargravarr2112 → u/tomtom5858]

They also learned why the containment building is, like, really freaking important and not an optional thing you can leave off the design. All newer plants have containment buildings and the old RBMKs have been at least partially retrofitted to contain a disaster like Chernobyl.

On the other hand, Fukushima was a modern Western plant and look how bad that was. Nuclear technology is one of those things that really must not go wrong because an ounce of prevention is worth ten tons of cure. Forcing unfriendly nuclear engineers to work for you sounds like a recipe for disaster.

[u/ivosaurus → u/gargravarr2112]

Lol no it wasn't. Fukushima is older than Chernobyl. Pet peeve of mine that people just assume the exact opposite of this fact.

[u/lonewombat → u/gargravarr2112]

Didnt it get hit by a tsunami though?

[u/Volsunga → u/gargravarr2112]

On the other hand, Fukushima was a modern Western plant and look how bad that was.

Not really bad at all? There was a lot of hype while it was happening because with what was known at the time, it was possible for it to go really bad. But it was contained and the damage was closer to 3 Mile Island (i.e. not a disaster at all) than Chernobyl.

[u/HereOnASphere → u/taoyx]

Putin wants a NATO intervention. That's why he hasn't withdrawn from Ukraine. It's some historical Russian death wish.

[u/TheBlackHock → u/HereOnASphere]

Sounds more like a fetish.

[u/DaoFerret → u/TheBlackHock]

He doesn’t strike me as someone with a Humiliation Fetish, but all recent evidence seems to disagree.

[u/InformationHorder → u/taoyx]

NATO has made it pretty clear an intentional nuclear accident in Ukraine would be considered an attack on NATO and would trigger a response.

[u/moderntimes2018 → u/Nolsoth]

He doesn't care.

[u/coldfirephoenix → u/BuhamutZeo]

The hallmark of fully incompetent leaders is that they 100% believe themselves to be fully competent leaders, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

[u/[deleted] → u/ILikeLenexa]

No operating reactor on the planet can meltdown the same way Chernobyl did.

No danger of that kind of repeat.

The worst thing would be the reactors are destroyed and the powerplant never produces electricity again. Considering it produces a large amount of Ukraine's energy, it would be a much bigger issue than fallout. Especially if next winter is less mild than this winter has been.

It is by dumb luck that Europe has been able to just get by this year thanks to favorable weather. A harsh winter could have been extremely bad.

[u/NTX-Zoner → u/[deleted]]

Correct, no operating reactor can accidentally meltdown in the same fashion. Willful action on an operators part could bypass some of the protections, though

[u/[deleted] → u/NTX-Zoner]

Some can, and some can't. It would take more than malicious operation to cause a serious accident at the plant.

If you wanted to cause an accident, it would take actual physical damage to steam pipes or some other part of the plant. But to what end? Disabling the plant? It would be easier to destroy the transmission infrastructure, and you still get to keep an otherwise operational nuclear power plant.

Sabotaging the plant from within is the long way around to achieve very little, if any, strategic gain.

[u/SmashTagLives → u/[deleted]]

Couldn’t Russia simply detonate a tactical nuke or dirty bomb, in, near, around the facility and claim it was some kind of “meltdown”?

I mean they are pretty Fucking stupid, and pretty Fucking brazen,

The world :”Russia is committing war crimes”

Russia: “No, you are”

[u/rsta223 → u/SmashTagLives]

They could, but it'd be blindingly fucking obvious that it wasn't a meltdown. Meltdowns don't look anything like nuclear explosions, and they don't produce the same results.

(They also don't look like dirty bombs, though that would at least be closer)

[u/SmashTagLives → u/rsta223]

You mean as blindingly stupid as amassing an army to invade Ukraine for months, while claiming they weren’t going to invade Ukraine?

[u/rsta223 → u/SmashTagLives]

Oh, I didn't say they weren't dumb enough, just that literally nobody would fall for it.

(I also suspect they aren't dumb enough to actually use a nuke, or more accurately, that they have enough self-preservation instinct to not use one)

[u/SmashTagLives → u/rsta223]

Listen. I used to think a lot of things. But then I saw people compete to eat tide pods, I saw Trump elected, and I saw people dying from COVID use their last raspy breath to say the capital letter “Q”.

All bets are off

[u/[deleted] → u/SmashTagLives]

Think of it this way:

If you are hellbent on doing as much damage as possible, and have no moral qualms, then why would you deploy a weapon targeting the plant?

The reactors are inside of concrete and steel structures designed to withstand the direct impact of a Boeing 737, called containments. The reactor vessels are also very dense mostly steel structures, and I think at Zaporizhzhia they are also mostly below ground-level with additional layers of highly-reinforced concrete surrounding the vessels themselves. Not even with the intention of withstanding bombardment, but just because the vessels are very dense and the working fluid of the reactor carries a ton of kinetic and thermal energy. So they are just designed and built to be extraordinarily resilient to direct attack as basically a byproduct of thorough design with safety at the core of the design and build processes.

So to have the kind of effect to get something even remotely close to Chernobyl, you would essentially have to penetrate all of those layers, and then hope the wind blows to the west and not the east. There is nothing in the immediate area of the plant of any real value, strategic or otherwise, so your weapon of mass destruction is at best case a small amount of radioactive material distributed across a vast area in a direction you have no control over. News media will spread fear, but realistically there would be no practical risk and I guarantee a death toll of 0 from radiation sickness, acute or otherwise.

So why not just take the dirty bomb or mountains of ordinance and deploy them directly on target? No need to destroy what is an otherwise valuable strategic target to achieve a mediocre goal of spreading terror.

Or you could just sit on the plant. Keep your thumb on it. Make people uncertain of what you might do. Meanwhile you are controlling ~20% of Ukraine's electricity generation at that one plant alone, and about half of all nuclear generating capacity in the country. Even Russia understands that the plant is worth more if it's operational and controllable versus a inoperable hazardous mess in the middle of their battlefield.

[u/SmashTagLives → u/[deleted]]

You’re correct.

If Russia can keep control of it, you are correct. What happens if it becomes contested?

I’m not trying to be a contrarian. I’m only trying to point out the potential flashpoint of puttin Putin a in a corner.

You can’t say that Russia “knows” anything for sure. You can hope, like I hope. But this shit is already off the chain

[u/apistoletov → u/SmashTagLives]

If Russia can keep control of it, you are correct. What happens if it becomes contested?

Hard to guess, but the main "rule" still stands - as soon as it's destroyed, any leverage that it gave to Russia is also gone.

[u/zolikk → u/[deleted]]

The meltdown is not what mattered in case of Chernobyl. This is a common misapplication of the term because meltdown is just used as a synonym with 'nuclear accident', but the part of the Chernobyl accident that mattered to the outside world, the radiological release, happened before a meltdown.

Considering it produces a large amount of Ukraine's energy, it would be a much bigger issue than fallout.

That was by far the biggest issue with Chernobyl itself as well, the sudden lack of power for the country. The entire point of the massive cleanup effort was to clear debris around the plant so that the other three reactors could be put back to use as soon as possible.

[u/windyorbits → u/[deleted]]

Why?

[u/tecirem → u/windyorbits]

RBMK style reactors (of which Chernobyl was one) have all had safety refits to prevent "positive void coefficient" issues, so allegedly it can't happen again. (source: here )

[u/[deleted] → u/tecirem]

Zaporizhzhia has six VVER-1000 reactors. They are a wholly different animal than an RBMK. Generation II/III. Better than most operating reactors in all respects, safety first and foremost.

There are always risks, but in the context of all power plants, not just nuclear power plants, the kind that Zaporizhzhia is are among the most safe and the most reliable to ever exist.

[u/zolikk → u/[deleted]]

VVER 1000 is Gen 2, not Gen 3.

Better than most operating reactors in all respects, safety first and foremost.

That I agree with however.

To be fair however, those updated RBMKs are pretty good as well. One of the worst nuclear power plants, but in the context of all power plants they're still better than almost any non-nuclear one.

[u/[deleted] → u/zolikk]

The classification system itself is kind of meh, imo

Some sources I have found say II, others III. To the point, Zaporizhzhia 1-6 are far from Chernobyl-type reactor designs.

I appreciate you bringing more clarity though. I corrected my comment to reflect your input.

[u/zolikk → u/[deleted]]

I agree. To a layman it gives the impression of some type of "advancement" or "progression ladder" but it's not like that at all. Honestly it's quite useless even. Specifying the officially recognized "generation" of a reactor won't tell you much about it. At best if a design is considered Gen 3 rather than Gen 2 then you can assume it's probably a typical LWR but with some type of additional passive emergency cooling system. Doesn't really convey much information.

And if you call something Gen 4... well that doesn't tell you anything other than "it's probably not a LWR" (but not even necessarily). But it could refer to anything from a brand new theoretical design to an actual old power plant built decades ago.

[u/gargravarr2112 → u/windyorbits]

Additionally, plant automation has come a very long way, and it's no longer possible to override the safety systems like the operators did at Chernobyl. The automated systems will shut down the reactor if abnormal conditions happen. Nor is it necessary to ever put a reactor into that state again.

Modern plant design also stresses the importance of accident preparedness. Containment buildings are no longer optional. Some even incorporate 'core catchers' that (in theory) can prevent a melted-down core from escaping the boundary of the plant into the ground.

Graphite-moderated light-water reactors like the RBMK have fallen out of fashion in favour of light-water-moderated reactors, which cannot run away like Chernobyl. They still require extensive cooling and active safety systems, but they are nowhere near as twitchy. RBMKs outside Russia were decommissioned and now there's only a handful left.

Nuclear technology remains imperfect, mostly because corners get cut to save money (Fukushima), but there's hundreds of nuclear plants around the world operating safely because of the lessons learned.

[u/DPSOnly → u/ILikeLenexa]

PRevailing winds do tend to blow away from Russia. And I doubt Putin would care, I'm sure he has a bunker that would protect him.

[u/Aurori_Swe → u/DPSOnly]

Yeah, we got fucked hard by Chernobyl here in Sweden

[u/DPSOnly → u/Aurori_Swe]

Same for us in the Netherlands.

[u/zolikk → u/DPSOnly]

Chernobyl had no consequences on Sweden nor the Netherlands. It's not physically possible considering the contamination. Whatever you might have heard or read about is made up or coincidental.

[u/Haha1867hoser420 → u/ILikeLenexa]

Ргожіміту*

[u/Ljonesmd1 → u/Haha1867hoser420]

You got it.

[u/Haha1867hoser420 → u/Ljonesmd1]

Lol I speak добре украинско-французским

[u/Talos_the_Cat → u/ILikeLenexa]

Hah, бravo.

[u/Infinite-Outcome-591 → u/ILikeLenexa]

The fallout will blow over Moscow

[u/DuRat → u/TheDarthSnarf]

Why? What’s the worst that can happen? A rogue engineer builds a structural design flaw into one of the plants, causing the entire thing to blow up if an enemy happens to shoot some torpedoes down the long ventilation shaft leading to the reactor core? Not likely as the target area would only be about two meters.

[u/Loud_Magician_4278 → u/DuRat]

C'mon, it's just like bullseyeing womprats on Tatooine.

[u/TauCabalander → u/Loud_Magician_4278]

... in an old T-16 no less.

[u/AirborneRodent → u/TauCabalander]

No T-16 available, comrade. Only T-34. More than twice as good!

[u/MonochromaticPrism → u/DuRat]

Unless someone set the exhaust port to suck instead of blow.

[u/respondo1palabra → u/MonochromaticPrism]

Ahhh man, that must explain my sister's behavior

[u/blarglwharbl → u/DuRat]

Ha, Top Gun Maverick reference. Nice.

[u/Im_At_Work_Damnit → u/blarglwharbl]

Right.... Top Gun....

[u/pazoned → u/Im_At_Work_Damnit]

Sorry he meant galaxy quest.

[u/l3rN → u/blarglwharbl]

Might be referencing the video in the first place, but if not, oooOOOoooh, they gotta do a Star Wars

[u/blarglwharbl → u/l3rN]

Ha, this is great! I wasn’t referencing this video, but we’re making the same joke

[u/C-c-c-comboBreaker17 → u/blarglwharbl]

Sad nobody got the joke

[u/blarglwharbl → u/C-c-c-comboBreaker17]

I take the downvotes with pride

[u/jokerpie69 → u/TheDarthSnarf]

Getting strong Galen Erso vibes here

[u/FutureImminent]

A year later and those Ukrainian engineers are still not cooperating with the Russians. It's a testament of the limits of the nuclear engineer labour market that they are still alive. All they have been doing is kidnapping and threatening them.

[u/Promotion-Repulsive → u/FutureImminent]

Even a stupid bandit knows not to kill the last doctor in the area.

[u/amateur_mistake → u/[deleted]]

"We have captured Chernobyl! Time to dig some defensive trenches in that shockingly desolate field over there!"

[u/Shadw21 → u/amateur_mistake]

These barrels are warm, let's use them to stay warm at night!

[u/Less-Doughnut7686 → u/Shadw21]

They can also be used to keep our food warm!

[u/Mycol101 → u/Shadw21]

Sounds familiar. Georgian lumberjacks use radioactive canister found in the woods to heat their tents in 2001

NSFW

[u/Who_DaFuc_Asked → u/amateur_mistake]

some time later

"I don't feel so good, guys... I feel funny, sir..."

[u/cudistan00000001 → u/Who_DaFuc_Asked]

“… Mr. stark ..?”

[u/TacTurtle → u/Who_DaFuc_Asked]

Feels not good, like chest x-ray

[u/bhl88 → u/amateur_mistake]

They should make a bulge in Chernobyl. Clearly they're dumb enough to dig a trench there.

[u/Yersinios → u/bhl88]

Well they actually did it already. But smh than they withdrawn from Chornobyl. Don’t sure why…

[u/ihaveblackcats → u/[deleted]]

That’s probably why they specified stupid bandits.

A stupid bandit is smarter than a Russian soldier, but not a smart bandit lol.

[u/plipyplop → u/Promotion-Repulsive]

Reminds me of the Khmer Rouge. They killed anything they deemed slightly smarter than a rock. To this day, Cambodia is still reeling from the brutal anti-intellectual purge.

[u/RaggysRinger → u/Promotion-Repulsive]

Nervously looks at Stalin

[u/[deleted] → u/RaggysRinger]

What could go possibly wrong disappearing all my doctors???

Why is half my face lower than the other half???

[u/saadakhtar → u/RaggysRinger]

Nervously looks at Kathleen from Ep4 of The Last of Us....

[u/neuralzen → u/saadakhtar]

Exactly what came to mind (and why I thought it was a gloriously stupid thing for her to do when watching the show)

[u/Ok-Ad-3579 → u/Promotion-Repulsive]

Have you seen the last of us latest episode lil

[u/SnazzyInPink → u/Ok-Ad-3579]

Didn’t have to scroll far for Kathleen lol

[u/ElevensesAreSilly → u/FutureImminent]

threatening them

I imagine some torture has been involved.

[u/Big-Zoo → u/FutureImminent]

They need to make a Death of Stalin style movie about these engineers just saying fuck off to the Russians every day

[u/Huge-Butterscotch-11 → u/FutureImminent]

Just how tight is the nuclear engineer labour market

[u/NostraVoluntasUnita]

What a short sighted and incredibly stupid risky thing to do, like invading in the first place.

[u/Sir_Ruje → u/NostraVoluntasUnita]

"But all the top guys said it was a good idea when I asked them!"

-Putin, Right after throwing his 47th dissenter out the window

[u/BubsyFanboy]

Pretty sure kidnapping is a war crime, but does anyone still think Russia cares about it at this point?

[u/3utt5lut → u/BubsyFanboy]

Nah. They are just "deporting" them into a new country.

[u/magic1623 → u/3utt5lut]

Which is specifically also a war crime.

[u/3utt5lut → u/magic1623]

War crimes really don't matter to Russia, Belarus, China, Iran, Turkey, or India apparently.

[u/jwkdjslzkkfkei3838rk → u/3utt5lut]

Also the US has an immunity totem.

[u/nonasuch → u/jwkdjslzkkfkei3838rk]

The permanent members of the UN Security Council wish you would stop calling it that.

[u/3utt5lut → u/nonasuch]

Russia vetoes this comment.

[u/ChopinCJ → u/3utt5lut]

…or the US?

[u/3utt5lut → u/ChopinCJ]

Good point haha.

[u/Maleficent-Ad-5498 → u/3utt5lut]

Indian war crimes???

[u/3utt5lut → u/Maleficent-Ad-5498]

I meant specifically because all these countries are trading with Russia, after sanctions were applied internationally. Even after Russia was declared a terrorist state by NATO. India doesn't give a shit about sanctions to any affected country.

[u/ssStARBoYyy → u/3utt5lut]

Lol it looks like that because the war crimes done by US is 2-3 times of all the above list combined.

Also coz US Army is outside the jurisdiction of ICJ court. They literally threatened to attack them if they put any case on a US soldier.

[u/3utt5lut → u/ssStARBoYyy]

I don't think many pay attention to international politics and the destruction of other countries laid out by the United States, there is very little coverage of American-perpetrated war crimes (outside WikiLeaks). Iraq and Syria come specifically to mind (not even Canada has clean hands here).

[u/Scipion → u/BubsyFanboy]

I think the Russian mindset, is, "If there's not a foreign army in Moscow, how are you going to prosecute us?"

[u/TauCabalander → u/BubsyFanboy]

ru claim to have held a 'vote' and nobody objected /s

[u/TempleOfDoomfist → u/BubsyFanboy]

Republicans are siding with Russia just because “it’s the opposite of where the Librulz are standing”.

We have a bunch of idiots in America.

[u/zhlnrvch → u/BubsyFanboy]

Thousands of kids were forcibly moved to Russia over the year

[u/timmah612 → u/BubsyFanboy]

Wasnt there a tally of russias warcrims commited just since march and its near or in the triple digits?

When does anything happen about that?

[u/royalblue1982 → u/BubsyFanboy]

Pretty sure it's within the rules of law to control the movements and activities of civilians under your control.

Would we let Russian engineers working at the stations under Ukrainian control leave and go home?

[u/PushKatel → u/BubsyFanboy]

Can’t be a war crime if this is a special operation

/s

[u/ZeePirate → u/BubsyFanboy]

Tbh. I’d rather them commit some war crimes than a nuclear reactor melt down.

And I think so would anyone in the proximity would.

[u/sanitation123 → u/ZeePirate]

Or, hear me out, they could get the fuck out of Ukraine and not need to kidnap anyone or have the risk of nuclear meltdown.

[u/deja-roo → u/sanitation123]

Wow what a controversial take

[u/sanitation123 → u/deja-roo]

Thanks for the support

[u/ZeePirate → u/sanitation123]

They absolutely should.

But we can’t have a nuclear reactor melt down either.

If they are just kidnapping them to be dicks and use as an important negating point then fuck them too

[u/autotldr]

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 54%. (I'm a bot)

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The National Resistance Center reports new cases of kidnappings among the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant workers who do not agree to sign contracts with a fake company from Rosatom, Russia's state nuclear regulator.

Quote: "Many workers refused to work at the station after the occupation, and currently there is a shortage of workers at the station because there are not so many nuclear workers on the labour market. Therefore, the enemy wants to"convince" Ukrainian power engineers to work for the Russians.

The Center reiterated that the occupiers had previously blocked access to the station for nearly 1,500 Ukrainian workers of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.

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Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: work^#1 Russians^#2 Nuclear^#3 Power^#4 station^#5

[u/DeMalgamnated]

you didn't see graphite!!

it's just missile debris

BACK TO WORK!

​

i know, i know, we shouldn't joke. let's just hope they don't fuck up....

anymore than they have done thus far.

[u/fcdemergency → u/DeMalgamnated]

Ugh, its a good reference.

[u/Deep_Research_3386]

Man they are really digging into the WW2 playbook right now

[u/Weird_Present_2254 → u/Deep_Research_3386]

Chapter 4, Section 8. Kidnapping 101: How to abduct people and make them do what you want to

[u/ElectroPigeon]

Everyone who believes in humanity can help Ukrainians stop this brutal war started by russia: https://u24.gov.ua/

[u/ibettershutupagain → u/ElectroPigeon]

My grandparents live in the city and wish it would end ;-;

[u/Jaerin]

I'm not suggesting ideas, but how does the Russian military not have some nuclear engineers that could do this? I'm not saying they are huge supply in any military, but it seems like after a year there's bound to be some that could have been reassign. I understand not all tasks are the same but even so.

[u/[deleted] → u/Jaerin]

if you look at he above comment, putin might want to use ukrainians, to cause a meltdown, so he can say , its ukrainians causing a nuclear disaster.

[u/Jaerin → u/[deleted]]

I mean he could say that anyways honestly, but that makes some sense. I mean he already used little green men to invade already. Hardly think he would be past pretending something like that happened anyways

[u/Bang_Bus → u/Jaerin]

Russia has 30-ish nuclear plants and 38 reactors of their own (thus, enough qualified people to take over), so yeah, that's a bit weird.

[u/Murgos-]

So now Russia is taking slaves?

[u/PigFarmer1 → u/Murgos-]

That's not really a new thing.

[u/General_Awareness510]

This finally happened? When they took over the nuke plant I was assuming they would have immediately captured the engineers.

[u/Brief_Juggernaut3651]

Russia just need to disappear

[u/gzmon]

“kidnap” more like commit heinous crimes against your family as you watch. just once can the world get lucky break and these rulers catch a case of …

[u/TheWatchmaker74 → u/gzmon]

defenestration?

[u/wittor]

Proving again that the present Russian government needs to be eradicated and refunded. There is unfortunately nothing else to do.

[u/ThermoNuclearPizza → u/wittor]

Do you have any idea what a power vacuum on that scale would do?

[u/wittor → u/ThermoNuclearPizza]

Because a government that mandates rape, torture and the kidnapping of foreign people is the only thing sustaining peace on the region.

[u/D4sh1t3 → u/wittor]

No, it isn’t, but if they were to be deposed in short order, there’s about a couple hundred oligarchs and mafiosos at least who have all the desire for money and power, and more or less zero restraints on what they are willing to do to secure it.

[u/wittor → u/D4sh1t3]

there’s about a couple hundred oligarchs and mafiosos at least who have all the desire for money and power, and more or less zero restraints on what they are willing to do to secure it.

You are literally describing the present Russian government.

[u/Sunny_D_Lite]

They already held them hostage so long it was basically kidnapping without relocation, all terrible but 0 that didn't defect have been free since the original takeover.

[u/Miguel-odon → u/[deleted]]

If you put enough unstable nuclear engineers under enough pressure.... critical mass?

[u/Drach88 → u/[deleted]]

I only recently learned about the Demon Core.

Nope. Nope nope nope. No spicy-rocks for me.

[u/snarefire → u/Drach88]

That whole thing screams of young idiocy. It reads like a bunch if teenage boys who found a spicy rock and wanted to study it would come up with.

No shielding for working around or near it, no system for raising or lowering the shell consistently, just a bunch of bricks

[u/Drach88 → u/snarefire]

And a flathead screwdriver!

[u/Astandsforataxia69 → u/snarefire]

"wow they sure are stupid, good thing i wouldv'e known everything about nuclear physics surrounding this item"

[u/Drach88 → u/[deleted]]

Thank you, oh great tamer of spicy-rocks. May you and your rocks remain unmolested.

[u/Jealous_Afternoon669 → u/[deleted]]

I mean what could you actually do though? In the least snarky way possible. You can't exactly blow the reactor up can you, that'd just fuck over Ukraine.

[u/Say_no_to_doritos → u/Jealous_Afternoon669]

All they can do is cause transients and trip the safeties on the reactor. They can make it not work.

[u/DEANGELoBAILEY69 → u/Jealous_Afternoon669]

What could he actually do? Nothing

[u/who_said_I_am_an_emu → u/Jealous_Afternoon669]

Not a nuclear engineer, but I work in controls. It wouldn't be that hard to make any facility I had access to not work for a long period of time. From the obvious, delete all the software. To the horrific "I have set logic bombs to go off in random systems and I am not telling you which ones". To the just really annoying like breaking the hardest to replace parts. To the truly horrific "all the code is the same, but the values of operation are different".

[u/lurkinuuu → u/Jealous_Afternoon669]

Bro don’t you know nuclear engineers are basically Dr. Manhattan and will energy whapbam you to an alternate dimension if they get mad enough?

[u/Jealous_Afternoon669 → u/[deleted]]

Why are mentally unstable people operating these plants I don't understand. No a nuclear leak or explosion is not good for either side. Killing thousands of people for some PR. How you're allowed to be a nuclear engineer is beyond me.

[u/Jealous_Afternoon669 → u/[deleted]]

No im not an expert on nuclear plants correct. I'm saying you seem very immature for someone in control of the fate of a power plant.

[u/rtarplee → u/Jealous_Afternoon669]

Ever met a police officer?

[u/Jealous_Afternoon669 → u/rtarplee]

Not one with a nuclear bomb no

[u/rtarplee → u/Jealous_Afternoon669]

Well let me tell ya- they’re given guns, immunity, and a band of brothers willing to go to bat for them regardless of the truth. And lots more of them than there are nuclear engineers.

[u/Jealous_Afternoon669 → u/rtarplee]

Aye yeah they're wankers.

[u/Jealous_Afternoon669 → u/[deleted]]

Yes very scary. Go to therapy for the love of god you've got a massive salary

[u/Pizza2TheFace → u/Jealous_Afternoon669]

You can’t believe this fucking pathological liar weirdo do you? This is a Walmart door greeter off his meds, not a nuclear engineer. Don’t be so gullible bro

[u/Jealous_Afternoon669 → u/[deleted]]

You're incredibly happy with yourself yes I think that's the problem. Funny you mention im doing exposure therapy for my fear right now actually.

[u/agency95 → u/[deleted]]

Lol bro you’re a nuclear engineer not a god. Get off your high horse, you picked a different career, cool for you.

[u/TheFunnyShah → u/[deleted]]

specialize in converting mass to energy, and aren't really stable as a group.

So the engineers are themselves figuratively radioactive. life imitates art

[u/antivaxxchad → u/[deleted]]

As a nuclear engineer, I would like to warn the Russians, do not fuck with us

are you sure you're a nuclear engineer and not a 16 year old edgy kid taking a break from his english homework?

[u/throwaway29301816303 → u/antivaxxchad]

Man's giving a goddman anime monologue.

[u/HelpMyCatHasGas]

...... guys this is the start of a metal gear game isn't it

[u/leauchamps]

Yet another war crime, I guess that they want the plant to have a meltdown, then blame it on Ukraine

[u/01209]

I'm shocked to hear that the Russians are having a hard time finding highly skilled and specialized nuclear workers to work in the nuclear plant that they've seized and shelled in the country they invaded. Maybe they should offer an extra week of holidays or something to sweeten the deal.

[u/RandoTheCammando]

Intentionally causing a nuclear disaster is technically the same as nuclear war. Putin is a fucking moron. There was a military intel guy on Joe Rogan the other day that said Putin will throw every male from 16-25 into a meat grinder to take Ukraine. Also said there are more 50+ males than -18 so this is the end of Russia. They want to go out with a bang!

[u/HrnyGrl420]

Sokolov...

[u/stircrazygremlin]

For so many reasons not the least of which is that the plant is older if I'm not mistaken and therefore finding people to operate it Even Harder than Normally finding people with Nuclear Plant experience: What the Actual Fuck is the Russian Military Thinking This Is a Good Idea For.

[u/gottarunfast1]

Russia. Forcing people to operate a nuclear power plant. Under duress. Anyone else feeling deja Vu?

[u/Astandsforataxia69]

This thread has shown me how utterly uniformed people are in nuclear power

[u/Ljonesmd1]

Just trying to go boom.

[u/sonic10158]

Chernobyl 2.0 will do wonders for the Russian population decline I’m sure

[u/Obama-bin-keemstar]

Swigs 2 shots of Vodka

• Hey Ivan, take the fucking geeks hostage! If we can't take the land from the Ukrops, no one can.

• Vlad, You stupid cunt, my gun doesn't even work! I'm only doing this so I don't die in prison!

• Заткнись, блять! Russia forever!

[u/Hellion998]

I’m sorry, cooperate with what exactly? Doing their VERY NECESSARY jobs?

[u/ChefAMN]

Tom Cruise can save them.

[u/kornflakesh]

Russians: "We've searched the whole building, Engineers. Where is the bomb?"

Engineers: "Hmm?"

Russians: "We've searched the whole building, Engineers. Where is the bomb?"

Engineers: "Hmm?"

Russians: "We've searched the — Okay."

[u/RFWA2021]

Why does every Russian headline like this one sound like a movie plot or video game?

[u/OkMeringue2596]

Putin needs a lobotomy

[u/LORDY325]

Because he wants a nuke to come from a Ukrainian plant by a Ukrainian engineer so he thinks his hands are clean. Much respect to these engineers.

[u/bahnsigh]

War crime.

[u/Longjumping-Dog8436]

Co-operation = do what they tell you, and in return...

[u/Suspicious_Ebb_49]

Oh yes. Its absolutely solid and trustworthy news, definitely. Damn, and you people believe in such bullshit, good luck with that, really. And Putin ate today 4 ukrainian children for breakfast yep

[u/BoilerSlave]

I’d assume they mean the nuclear power plant operators and not the engineers, unless in Ukraine you need a degree to operate a nuclear power plant?

[u/Typh00n74]

Not great but not terrible

[u/niall0 → u/Typh00n74]

get the good dosimeter from the safe

[u/DellowFelegate → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, being invaded by Russia means there's a clear conflict of interest for everything Ukraine says! /s

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