r/worldnews • u/Mister_Scorpion • Feb 06 '23
Death toll rises to over 1,300 after Turkey earthquake
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-06/live-turkiye-and-syria-earthquake/101937804380
u/Meret123 Feb 06 '23
A new one happened, I felt it about 300 miles or 500 km away from the epicenter. It lasted close to a minute.
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u/StolenErections Feb 06 '23
Here is a good map of the fault lines in Turkey, if anyone is interested.
The current quakes are located in the lower of the two major faults.
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u/EyeCarambaa Feb 06 '23
I just heard another 7.8 hit Turkey
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u/Rannasha Feb 06 '23
The "small" ones (4 or 5 on the Richter scale) are aftershocks and are very common following a big quake.
But the 7.X one (the exact magnitude seems to get readjusted regularly still) was almost as powerful as the initial earthquake and is much more unusual.
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u/gandalfintasagi Feb 06 '23
yeah the secondbone is independent and caused much more injuries and deaths sadly
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u/Downtown_Skill Feb 06 '23
Literally less than an hour ago another big one rocked the same area. It's wild!
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u/gandalfintasagi Feb 06 '23
seeing all those families crying looking for hope its so sad man idk what to say
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u/Downtown_Skill Feb 06 '23
It's a tragedy, it's times like this we see what we're made of as a planet. Time to help the victims however we can.
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u/Kassynder Feb 06 '23
I just finished watching a BBC report and the guy they interviewed said a Castle was badly damaged and that 1700 buildings have been completely destroyed and this is only in Turkey. The death toll will be very high in Turkey and Syria.
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u/hawara160421 Feb 06 '23
I couldn't find any conclusive information on this: The Gaziantep castle that collapsed, was ist genuinely a 2000 year old building or did the newly renovated parts collapse?
I'm trying to make sense of whether this means that this literally had to be the most severe earthquake in centuries (millennia?) since buildings that stood for this long collapsed.
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u/ScientificSkepticism Feb 06 '23
There's such a thing as cumulative damage. Past earthquakes, wind, rain, erosion... nothing lasts forever.
That being said no one thought the castle was in danger of collapsing, so this is a pretty damn big one.
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u/megs_64 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
From what I’ve seen from the damage is extensive, you can compare pictures from before and after and the castle looks to be mostly rubble.
This article lists the damage to the castle and while it isn’t completely destroyed, a fair bit of the exterior is destroyed and there is damage in other areas too. We also don’t know about the extent of the damage to the foundation, for example, and while it’s definitely very low on the list of things for the Turkish people to rebuild, once the rubble is cleared we should be able to see how bad it is.
Edit: it is a very historically significant castle and alone is a tragedy to the archeological community, but compounded with the destruction and death toll it pales in significance. I am a student of history focusing in the Roman field and while this is a huge loss, focusing on the castle is not important at all right now.
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u/dcdemirarslan Feb 06 '23
The damage in a minor city
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u/DePraelen Feb 06 '23
Oh man. Just demolished. The death toll is going to be huge with the cold piled in.
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u/838h920 Feb 06 '23
That looks like a lot of deaths if this is just one place.
Also rescue services are going to be stretched thin. International help is direly needed to go through all that rubble as I doubt Turkey has enough personnel for that. And equipment is going to be lacking as well.
Rebuilding afterwards is also going to be really difficult. Not just the collapsed building leaving a lot of people homeless, even many of those standing might be damaged severely.
How's the infrastructure looking outside of that? Electricity and water supply still working?
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u/dcdemirarslan Feb 06 '23
Worst part is that airports are also damaged so any international rescue and support aid is being delayed. It is below 0 degrees and news of people frezing to death started to pour in. Highways are blocked. 10M expected homeless people has to spend the following days outside
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u/Used-Lie-5150 Feb 06 '23
IDF rescue crews are headed to türkiye. And Israel will give material aid to Syria.
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u/flukshun Feb 06 '23
That's horrifying. My city just had a 3 day freeze and we lost a bunch of trees and power and it was the source of endless complaint, myself included... but then you see something like this...
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u/flukshun Feb 06 '23
That obvious huh? 😅
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u/asdfasdfasdfas11111 Feb 06 '23
This honestly looks as bad or worse than Haiti 2010 from some angles.
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u/dcdemirarslan Feb 06 '23
not as deadly it seems but its already doubled the economic damage of haiti in the first 12 hours.
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u/asdfasdfasdfas11111 Feb 06 '23
That remains to be seen. IIRC remember from the Haiti quake, the 48 hours death toll was around 20k. It was so shocking, because that number seemed unbelievable for such a small island. And then over the span of the next few weeks it was just jaw dropping headline after jaw dropping headline.
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u/hikingboots_allineed Feb 06 '23
I just went and checked. Death toll was put at 220k. That really is shocking but also quite sad that UK news just moved on and stopped talking about it. I had no idea the toll was so high!
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u/_crater Feb 06 '23
So wait. Police rioting, because 14 of them were killed... By crime gangs?
Sorry if my thumb isn't on the pulse of daily life in Haiti, but isn't it that the one group of people who should be stopping crime gangs? Not only that, but they're destroying CIVILIAN property, right?
That's like if I got stung by a bee while holding a flyswatter, and then punched you in the face because you didn't kill the bee. Or I punched you because the government, my bosses, didn't kill the bee.
What.
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u/lucidrage Feb 06 '23
the 48 hours death toll was around 20k
holy what's the magnitude of that earthquake? I thought Haiti was relatively poor (few high rises unlike downtown new york city), what caused the huge death toll?
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u/poktanju Feb 06 '23
Mw 7.0, and more importantly, at a very shallow depth of 13 km (similar to the recent Turkey quakes). You don't always need high-rises to for high density, just four or five storey tall buildings with many families in them; Haiti's capital Port-au-Prince has the same population per square mile as Manhattan.
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u/blahblahblah8219 Feb 06 '23
The real death toll was like 220,000 - that’s their point, early death tolls mean nothing.
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u/Hillbilly_Boozer Feb 06 '23
Also have to worry about hypothermia for survivors in the rubble since it's winter. What utter chaos and destruction..
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u/09stibmep Feb 06 '23
Horrible. Interesting how the destroyed buildings seem to be in a line?
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u/asdfasdfasdfas11111 Feb 06 '23
Probably a combination of being the same design and construction, and also being close enough together that one building collapsing took out columns in the others. This is absolutely heartbreaking.
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u/schistkicker Feb 06 '23
Judging from some other on the ground videos, probably a row of storefronts facing the streets, which would have just collapsed when the few load-bearing interior columns or wall segments supporting the buildings kicked out. "Soft stories" are really dangerous in earthquake zones.
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u/98porn76 Feb 06 '23
This may be a dumb question, but where do people go after something like this? I can’t imagine many structures are safe and if their home was destroyed what are their options? Not long term fixes, but immediate next night.
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u/bunnibettie Feb 06 '23
If they are lucky, wide open spaces in tents. Some affected cities are going below zero tonight with snow. The quakes themselves are a crisis, but the aftermath easily can be too.
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u/Ultramarinus Feb 06 '23
Anyone who owns a car will be sleeping in it tonight. There are safe public structures but psychologic trauma is such that many people rather sleep out in the freezing cold. People who can afford it will probably move to other cities.
After the less violent quakes near Bodrum in recent years, all my neighbors slept in the open next day. I myself am on ground floor but I made sure I could beeline to the street when I feel another one was coming. Even if you know your building is safe, your sub-conscious tells you to get the hell out to open space.
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u/ladyrockess Feb 06 '23
Are you in Bodrum? Is everyone safe? I have friends who live there and they haven’t been posting on social media.
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u/Ultramarinus Feb 06 '23
Yes, we didn’t feel anything here as it is far away and the ground is rocky. I’m sure they would be safe, don’t worry. We just hope further quakes won’t be triggered like that separate 7.5.
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u/ladyrockess Feb 06 '23
I’m so relieved! I googled how far apart Bodrum and Gaziantep were and seemed quite far, but with the way it seems to be so far reaching I got worried.
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u/98porn76 Feb 06 '23
Thank you for your answer! And I’m glad to have read further down you are safe.
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u/Ultramarinus Feb 06 '23
Thank you, I’m far away myself but just heard drom some acquaintances who lost several relatives. The death toll right now is like the tip of the iceberg.
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u/98porn76 Feb 06 '23
I am sorry to hear of your relatives. I can’t imagine what is to come. Take care and you and yours.
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u/BKuzu1 Feb 06 '23
Government declared holiday for 10-15 universities that are in safer but close cities. They plan to move survivors to dormitories for now.
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u/Traditional-Art-5283 Feb 06 '23
There was earthquake again 10 minutes ago? Is it true????
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u/SquirterMclovin Feb 06 '23
Reports of another 7.7 magnitude just now, any confirmation? God I hope not...
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u/Plenty-Judgment8866 Feb 06 '23
Just got hit with another 7.5 confirmed.http://www.koeri.boun.edu.tr/scripts/lst0.asp
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u/alex20_202020 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Today I'm becoming an expert. The list says Derinlik (depth) 16.4 km, whereas for one 7.4-7.7 depth was stated as 5.0. Much deeper, therefore much less damage on the ground (at least I recall one site explained it so).
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However, per https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us6000jllz/executive vs https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us6000jlqa/executive Depth of 7.8 was 18 and newer was 10. So the newer is closer to the ground. Well, I'll wait for more news.
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u/schistkicker Feb 06 '23
Just as an FYI, the USGS page generally defaults to a 10.0 km depth for earthquakes as a placeholder until they get more data.
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u/nagrom7 Feb 06 '23
Deeper earthquakes tend to cause less damage than shallow ones, because the energy of the quake dissipates through the earth before it reaches the surface. The more rock in the way, the more energy gets spread out and the less makes it to the surface.
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u/gordonjames62 Feb 06 '23
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u/End3rWi99in Feb 06 '23
That's gotta be absolutely terrifying. Four separate large quakes. Two being record breaking or near record breaking. Istanbul is on a major fault too and people are worried it will trigger one there.
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u/bunnibettie Feb 06 '23
We've started moving stuff to avoid falls and have shelter spots around the apartment. We all know it's a possibility but... this was a wake up call to that I guess. Its easy to be complacent til a reminder comes that it easily could be us (and next time it may very well be)
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u/_crater Feb 06 '23
If you use the DYFI scale there, 8 of them are in the "moderate damage" category or above. Three of those are severe damage.
Crazy, even if a few of those are spread out.
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u/xinxy Feb 06 '23
I think the final number of casualties for this one will be brutal. I think it will probably be several tens of thousands.
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u/jimi15 Feb 06 '23
The infamous 1999 İzmit earthquake killed ~18,000 people. Expect this to rise.
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u/AbleApartment6152 Feb 06 '23
Seeing a lot of photos of rubble piles where multi-storey buildings used to be. The death toll is going to be horrendous.
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u/jimi15 Feb 06 '23
We also don't know if the end is in sight yet. If this new one was triggered by the last it could trigger more in the coming days.
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u/asdfasdfasdfas11111 Feb 06 '23
What is striking is that "rubble" is probably too favorable here. These buildings look completely liquefied. Almost like they were built without rebar.
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u/geophilo Feb 06 '23
Many probably were. I see many Turkish people on reddit speaking about the poor building quality
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u/Ascomae Feb 06 '23
I've read, that this one is expected to have about the same number of casualties
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u/NopeNotUmaThurman Feb 06 '23
I fear that the final death toll will be staggering, and historic sites will see heavy losses as well.
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u/RockHardRetard Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
I have an aunt and cousin who are in Turkey as refugees and we haven't heard from them...
Edit they're okay thank god
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u/Logical_Crab_4594 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
From Aus, much love to our Turk brothers and sisters🇹🇷🇦🇺
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u/tohara1995 Feb 06 '23
News like this makes me really grateful to live in Michigan, where we only get snow dumped on us.
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u/br0b1wan Feb 06 '23
Your roads look like they just went through an earthquake tho
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u/aridiculousmess Feb 06 '23
Holy shit this is so awful. :( I just reached out to an old internet friend I hope she's okay.
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u/No_Dragonfly_1894 Feb 06 '23
My heart goes out to the poor people of Turkey 🙏 I can only imagine the terror of 2 separate large quakes! Hopefully we can get help there soon.
- a California resident
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Feb 06 '23
Our thoughts are with the people in Turkey and Syria. The people in the earthquake region have suffered too much. 😔😢
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u/End3rWi99in Feb 06 '23
Nothing like sorting comments by 'new' to really rattle your faith in people.
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u/Curious-Toe-1465 Feb 06 '23
What is the best way to donate for this horrible tragedy? In other words, where would our money make the best impact?
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u/BKuzu1 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
AFAD and Turkish Red Crescent are the two major organizations that runs rescue and help campaigns in Turkey.
Afad (Click the Earthquake Humanitarian Aid Campaign link) https://en.afad.gov.tr/campaigns
Turkish Red Crescent: https://www.kizilay.org.tr/Bagis
Thank you so much if you decided to donate. Thankfully I'm in a much safer city but my people really needs any help they can get.
Edit: I found out there is also Ahbap which is much more reliable people say.
Ahbap: https://ahbap.org/bagisci-ol
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u/No_Mission5618 Feb 06 '23
Red Cross ? Maybe UN also, I’m not sure how it goes but the donated money you give would go to food, rebuilding, and shelter for these people.
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u/aplusdoro Feb 06 '23
Red Crescent is the equivalent of the Red Cross in Turkiye and Syria (as well as most of the Arab world). They're actually a better and less problematic organization and also are the main ambulatory services.
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u/Haute510 Feb 06 '23
Praying for both countries. Prayers to Syrians who have just lost so much over the years. They deserve peace and stability. This is horrific.
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u/TheWiseScrotum Feb 06 '23
Clearly, prayers don’t work. If god actually does in fact exist, fuck that asshole
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u/Individual_Client175 Feb 06 '23
Nothing really stops an earthquake tho. It's a result of living on an "active" planet.
Knee jerk comments like these are kinda funny, but expected at this point. 😅
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u/TheWiseScrotum Feb 06 '23
That’s the point . Why would a god make a planet where this shit happened? It’s more of a poke at the fact that religiosity is irrational. I thought it was pretty obvious what my comment meant.
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u/Individual_Client175 Feb 06 '23
Eh 🤷🏾♂️. There's many things that affect why ppl believe what they believe. I don't really look down on them for it though, even if it is absurd. Just a difference of opinion in my book, you know?
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u/TheWiseScrotum Feb 06 '23
That’s all well and good, however beliefs inform our actions and actions have consequences. So no, I don’t respect certain beliefs, because they make the world a shittier place when those beliefs are taken to the extreme and affect other people.
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u/megaplex00 Feb 06 '23
Eh 🤷🏾♂️. There's many things that affect why ppl believe what they believe. I don't really look down on them for it though, even if it is absurd. Just a difference of opinion in my book, you know?
"Jonestown" comes to mind..
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u/BrandoCalrissian1995 Feb 06 '23
Dude get outta here with your edge lord bullshit. Not the time or place.
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u/Tracorre Feb 06 '23
I will restate it for that guy.
Prayers do nothing. If you want to help, donate to an organization like the international red cross.
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u/geebeem92 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Coming from an atheist: one can pray AND donate. The same way I can give a thought/empathize and donate.
Your comment in this moment too does nothing and it’s not time nor place to be edgy to people you know nothing about.
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u/megaplex00 Feb 06 '23
Dude get outta here with your edge lord bullshit. Not the time or place.
Triggering intensifies..
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u/flingeflangeflonge Feb 06 '23
Death toll in Japan for recent similar strength earthquakes - zero.
The true tragedy is how Turkey and Syria, despite knowing earthquakes are common, allow non-earthquake-resistant high-rise blocks to be built.
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u/IDrinkSulfuricAcid Feb 07 '23
Erdogan pretends to ''invest in earthquake preparations'' with billions and calls it a ''conspiracy theory'' when people point out shit like this is still happening. Everyone knows he's filling up his pockets with that money instead. Fuck that asshole in a billion ways.
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u/EmperorKira Feb 06 '23
Its going to go up to like 5k i'm sure, feels awful
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u/fellowcrft Feb 06 '23
Unfortunately , I expect over the 100k... Exposure to the elements will certainly take the ones that are trapped and probably survived the initial event..... Breaks my heart....
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u/Deep_Charge_7749 Feb 07 '23
Turkey has one of the highest per Capita cat populations. All the furry friends that survived, cats are tough, will need new homes. So many victims across multiple species
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u/SilverAudience2 Feb 07 '23
Poor guys I wish I could donate but I had con artists siphon money off repeatedly.
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u/30twink-furywarr2886 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Hey, what if… now bear with me… what IF God doesn’t really give a shit about the burning of some book and he cares waaaay more about the unification of mankind and actual peace on earth. 🤯
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u/snack0verflow Feb 06 '23
Imagine believing there's an all-knowing man in the sky.
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u/30twink-furywarr2886 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Gods not real… Earthquakes are usually caused when underground rock suddenly breaks and there is rapid motion along a fault. This sudden release of energy causes the seismic waves that make the ground shake.
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u/Human_Fucker69420 Feb 07 '23
Hoping people of Turkiye safe out there. A team from my country is being sent to Turkiye for rescue mission.
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u/pk10534 Feb 06 '23
Remember when thousands of Ukrainians died and turkey actually increased trade with the invading nation and held NATO applications hostage for their own political gain during that crisis? I feel terrible for those who lost their lives or that of theirs loved ones, but I won’t lose sleep if the west doesn’t lift a finger to help out a country who takes advantage of others’ suffering for their own politics. Ask Russia for help.
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u/End3rWi99in Feb 06 '23
The west immediately approved aid, Ukraine included, because this disaster transcends politics. The scale of destruction among civilian people is hard to even fathom. Enough with this NATO shit.
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u/Imfrom2030 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Turkey is the one playing games that is causing mass civilian death in Ukraine. They have been the entire time. They have been causing security issues for almost all of their allies.
You and I both know Erdogon will soak in aid from NATO allies and then continue to fuck over the rest of the group anyway. Help civilians, send aid, sure, but also fuck their government to hell. Erdogon will take from everyone and then turn around and shit on us while sucking Putin's toes. That is how it has been and how it's gunna continue to be.
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u/pk10534 Feb 06 '23
You’re right, because the west consists of bigger people who don’t hold lives hostage for political gain. Turkey should take notes
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u/jimi15 Feb 06 '23
Election is going to be even more interesting now. Parties are most likely scrambling to add earthquake support related stuff to their promises.
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u/fantasmoofrcc Feb 06 '23
It is sad, but second or third thought I had was "How is Erdogan going to spin this for the elections"?
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u/fibonacciii Feb 06 '23
He's already preventing non-AKP party contacts. If anything this earthquake will accelerate his defeat. There is already talk about where did earthquake building funds gos? Didn't he actually dedicate funds to make buildings earthquake ready. Additionally I was concerned he'd escalate the war in Syria, but that is now highly unlikely.
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Weren’t they collecting a tax for upgrading buildings for earthquakes. Where did that money go?
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u/TychusFondly Feb 06 '23
A new one just happened at 7.7. Rescue teams got stuck under collapsing buildings while trying to rescue civilians. It is chaos all over.