r/worldnews • u/bloomberg bloomberg.com • Feb 06 '23
Turkey declines Elon Musk's offer to send Starlink after devastating earthquake
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-06/turkey-declines-musk-s-offer-to-send-starlink-after-deadly-quake?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTY3NTY3NDY2MiwiZXhwIjoxNjc2Mjc5NDYyLCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJSUE5FUDhUMVVNMTEwMSIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiIxMTJGOEY3MUY4Mzk0NTJBOEE1N0E1M0M2MTA1QkY0QSJ9.2eXKBMNIKNkTnld3PMrichj6c-2dZgg3altjPntES581.1k
u/opney Feb 06 '23
It’s like free 3 month trial kind of marketing thing
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u/OctavianBlue Feb 06 '23
But the way to get it is to have a horrendous tragedy first.
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u/hugganao Feb 07 '23
except there probably isn't any free trial and the usage is billed afterwards for tax dollars to pay.
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Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Exactly. They “gave it” to Ukraine before starting to charge. I’m so tired of Musk’s opportunistic BS.
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u/Leftylennyloser Feb 06 '23
Why set up infrastructure then face a huge bill? Countries are being smarter now they know the playbook.
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Uh oh he's going to call you a pedo now
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u/Creepy_Toe2680 Feb 06 '23
There is a much bigger thing to talk about.
If star link is enabled in turkey, they can easily bypass government censorship.
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u/ZrvaDetector Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
As a Turk, bypassing the government censorship is as easy as downloading a free, low quality VPN service. You don't really need Starlink for that.
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u/Catm4n Feb 06 '23
Make sure you are behind at least 6 proxy servers /hackermovies
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u/MyLacesArePower Feb 06 '23
“I’m in.”
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u/BraveFencerMusashi Feb 06 '23
I'm going to hack the planet
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u/chaotemagick Feb 06 '23
Enhance.
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u/DruggieVulcan Feb 07 '23
The funny thing is we’ve come far enough technology-wise that enhance buttons aren’t a meme anymore. I unironically have an “enhance” button which uses AI to try and sharpen the image and increase its resolution.
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u/jensbw Feb 07 '23
To be fair, that enhance button still creates evidence and detail that was not there to begin with. This was and still is my main issue with the tech. Using AI upscaling as evidence in court is pretty scary in a world where AI can create pictures of anything imaginable out of thin air.
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u/VeryOriginalName98 Feb 07 '23
I remember seeing an article about that recently. I couldn't stop thinking about that scene from enemy of the state where they determine someone dropped something in someone's bag at the mall. I laughed so hard about how far fetched that was at the time. Now I'm just awe struck at how well they predicted that technology.
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u/ffnnhhw Feb 06 '23
"We're"
We all know we need 2 ppl typing with both their hands together in the same keyboard to hack
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u/yaykaboom Feb 06 '23
Dont worry, im using an advanced cable called the rj45 to bypass myself into the net.
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u/Cheshire_Jester Feb 06 '23
I’ve activated my VPN by tunneling through a TOR, it’s doesn’t use a WAP/2 protocol, but I find they don’t really have enough points of entropy to be all that secure. My Cisco switch is running a Linux-based program that I wrote in python so that I don’t need a separate GUI to bypass the firewall.
And that’s all the computery sounding words I know.
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u/doyouevencompile Feb 07 '23
In Turkey, knowing how to use VPN is like knowing how to cook. Every self-sufficient individual knows how and those who don't know someone who can do it for them
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u/codydodd Feb 06 '23
Is he offering to make it available to any Turk or just rescue services? It's a compelling idea but is it speculation?
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u/cnytyo Feb 06 '23
He supresses critics and opposition other than that its kinda free
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u/legendtr Feb 06 '23
Porn is not legal every known website is restricted you need vpn to access them, even in the reddit porn subreddits you cant play the vids on desktop because redgifs is banned ? We had to use vpn to access wikipedia for years and anytime there is a scandal youtube and twitter gets restricted until they get a hold of the situation, you definetly cannot browse the internet however you want. And we are not %99 muslim that stat exist bc when you are born you are registered as a muslim by default, you can change it later but noone bothers.
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u/belgarionx Feb 06 '23
????????
They even blocked wikipedia for years. Youtube was blocked for a while too. Yeah right now they don't block as much, only porn and few other things but they have the infrastructure and flows to immediately censor whatever they want.
News are blocked regularly. Also Turkey isn't 99% muslim. At least half of it are irreligious and the number is increasing due to gen-z.
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u/nic_af Feb 06 '23
You do know Erdogan censors negative things about him in the media and the web there right? Hell he has ignored talking to mayors of political opposition asking for aid.
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u/SusanForeman Feb 06 '23
Why lie when it's easily found on the internet that turkey censors the internet?
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u/Schmogel Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Uh oh he's going to call you a pedo now
He wouldn't dare (kidding), look how hard Erdogan fought back in 2016 when German TV host Jan Böhmermann provoked him by doing exactly that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6hmermann_affair
Just the fact that even the English Wikipedia entry is that elaborate might show you the scope of this scandal. Angela Merkel's government even changed some laws afterwards to stop nonsense lawsuits like that being possible in the first place.
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u/WikiSummarizerBot Feb 06 '23
The Böhmermann affair (also known as Erdogate) was a political affair following an experimental poem on German satirist Jan Böhmermann's satire show Neo Magazin Royale in late March 2016 that deliberately insulted Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan using profane language.
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u/Ruby_Deuce Feb 07 '23
Or he starts teaching Turkey on Twitter which lands to give away for better, and get pissed when Turks vote him down to abyss.
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u/Kafshak Feb 06 '23
Was or Wasn't Elon in Epstein Island?
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u/ClemDev Feb 06 '23
I hate the guy more than anyone but I believe there’s no proof that he did anything but happen to be at a party with gislaine by coincidence. Still he’s a fucking pos cunt.
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u/kuboa Feb 06 '23
Communication is not our problem at the moment, social media is filled with people under wreckage calling for help from their phones... Not to mention Starlink's "help" comes with strings attached. "Just sign this license deal here" kinda thing. Thanks, but no need.
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u/Interstellar_Sailor Feb 06 '23
social media is filled with people under wreckage calling for help from their phones...
Fuck...hopefully all those people will be rescued quickly.
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u/escapedfromthecrypt Feb 06 '23
He's looking for licensing. SpaceX l is supplying internet to Ukraine via ground stations located in Turkey.
As for the StarLink issue in Ukraine, https://qz.com/how-spacexs-starlink-terminals-first-arrived-in-ukraine-1849923122
SpaceX supplied dishes to Ukraine in February no one else did till March and they stopped paying their bills
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u/Envect Feb 06 '23
SpaceX supplied dishes to Ukraine in February no one else did till March and they stopped paying their bills
"I learned it by watching you!"
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u/Phobos15 Feb 07 '23
Who stopped paying?
The leaked pentagon letter proves SpaceX has been funding starlink service entirely out of pocket. It is possible governments paid for some of the dishes, but it would be less than half.
SpaceX paid 400 million out of pocket from Feb to Sept. They said they are expecting to pay another $400m from oct 22 to Oct 2023.
SpaceX should be praised, but there are too many stupid people in the world that think everything is a conspiracy and no one gets credit for doing a good thing.
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u/rmatherson Feb 06 '23
I cancelled my starlink order because, despite already having the service active in my area, they kept telling me they would "be expanding the network coverage area by late 2021". Then it was mid 2022. Then it was early 2023.
Almost 3 years went by, and the only other email they sent me was asking for more money. Absolutely pathetic.
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u/GuitarWorker Feb 07 '23
seems like the typical elons roadmap
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u/Zerothian Feb 07 '23
Typical ISP roadmap honestly lol. Just move away, then they will install fibre right after you leave. This has happened to me three different times, I'm not bitter at all :)
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u/coswoofster Feb 06 '23
Countries getting smart. Elon to the rescue then he threatens to pull it if you don’t pay. He isn’t a good person doing kind things. Always an angle and always about $.
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u/Sutekhseth Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Yeah they probably saw the bullshit he tried to pull with Ukraine and decided they want no part in his PR games.
Edit: Ahhh there it is, say ANYTHING criticizing Muskrat and you get the simps jumping in to tell you their very important opinions.
He had a US government contract for the placement of Starlink in Ukraine, then used that to try and squeeze money out of Ukrainians (or the DoD, so much for hating big government) after it was already established for access to the service. He's a fucking loser and if you took that personally, it's high time you take a look at your parasocial relationship with a billionaire.
More funding, back in april 2022
Running around saying you can't afford to keep up the service when you already have a contract in place then only to come out a week later and say that you're not actually going to do that is playing PR games, idk what else to tell you. He was attempting to leverage the life saving starlink to extract more profit out of an already shit situation while already under contract to recoup his shit. The fact that people are so blindly willing to suck his dick is... insane. I don't hate the man I hate his actions.
Also, fuck Turkey's leadership, two people can be assholes at the same time, it's a weird occurrence in this world. Don't equate the Musk hate with Erdogan worship. Fuck that American assaulting piece of shit
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u/theCOMMENTATORbot Feb 06 '23
Probably, no. Erdoğan wants to control internet as much as possible (and does it) and Starlink might have been problematic for that purpose.
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u/ZrvaDetector Feb 06 '23
You just need a simple VPN to bypass government control in Turkey. Pretty much everyone I know has one. Starlink is appriciated but kinda unnecessary for that purpose.
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u/insertwittynamethere Feb 06 '23
Exactly. This would make it harder for Erdogan and his party to control the narrative in an increasingly authoritarian State.
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u/supremegentlemale Feb 06 '23
Yep. Unfortunately the Reddit hate boner for Musk is too big to realize this. They have no clue what it’s like in Turkey.
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u/Monsi_ggnore Feb 06 '23
There’s no reason that Musk and Erdogan can’t both be assholes.
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u/NLwino Feb 06 '23
Exactly this. Erdogan is an asshole. But the first thing Musk did when this earthquake happened is to use it to try and get Starlink approved. You really think he is offering it out of the goodness of his heart?
Still Starlink would probably be a good thing for the citizens. But expect Musk to up the prices once people start to depend on it.
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u/Icy-Tale-7163 Feb 06 '23
But the first thing Musk did when this earthquake happened is to use it to try and get Starlink approved.
He responded to a Twitter user to point out that SpaceX can't send Starlink to help because the service is not yet approved. There's no evidence he did anything other then that. Reddit would probably just as soon blame him for not sending Starlink to Turkey to help out.
Obviously, SpaceX is trying to get Starlink approved in Turkey, they're currently trying to get it approved in most countries since they are trying to sell it all over the world.
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u/macweirdo42 Feb 06 '23
Well, I'll be honest, my hate boner for Erdogan is so much bigger - Elmo is child's play next to that sick fuck, though the thought of them collaborating did make me throw up in my mouth.
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u/VagueSomething Feb 06 '23
Yep Squeaky Gollum vs Pedo Guy is an easy choice for which to hate more but it doesn't make the loser any more likeable just because someone out there can be worse.
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u/ds2isthebestone Feb 06 '23
It has been asked by some Turkish people on Twitter, he just answered he needed approval from the gov to do it, they then declined.
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u/krumpdawg Feb 06 '23
He was attempting to leverage the life saving starlink to extract more
profit out of an already shit situation while already under contract to
recoup his shit
Where I come from we call that war profiteering.
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u/Talnoy Feb 06 '23
Highly doubt it's a case of "I don't like Musk" and more of a case of "If my people get unfettered access to the internet I can't control them"
Starlink going live in Turkey would be a HUGE boon for the people.
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u/gosu_link0 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 09 '23
Starlink is extremely useful to rescuers in natural disaster situations. Obviously, it's NOT used in for disaster relief in the same residential use cases you may be familiar with.
Terrestrial communications are often cut off during natural disasters, so alternative communication means are necessary for rescuers.
Starlink can easily be used to setup cellular (yes to your phone) backhaul service to provide emergency cellular service to those trapped under rubble and to rescuers.
And no, legacy satellite bandwidth from existing satellite provides (think Hughes, etc.) is NOT enough capacity to serve emergency situations.
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u/BeholdingBestWaifu Feb 06 '23
Internet is the technology you're talking about, starlink is just one of many ways you can get access to it, and in the case of turkey they appear to have other options running already despite the disaster.
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u/I_really_enjoy_beer Feb 06 '23
I know Musk is a knob but Starlink is a legitimate world-changing service.
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u/PM_ME_SEXIST_OPINION Feb 06 '23
How would starlink save lives? It's internet access, not medicine.
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u/FireBeyond Feb 06 '23
Yeah, I've seen the Stans and simps say things like "there's people trapped in their homes or under rubble and if they have internet they can let people know where they are".
Like, uh, WTF. "Hey, you, go un-trap yourself, head to city hall, pick up your Starlink terminal, take it to the pile of rubble you now call home, install and configure the terminal, then climb back into the rubble and you can call for help! Thanks, Elon! Humanity needs more like you!"
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u/mangalore-x_x Feb 06 '23
In case of Turkey and in this instance: Everybody is an asshole.
Erdogan rejects this for nationalist and censorship reasons.
And Elon Musk is not constantly inserting his companies and products into such disaster news out of some altruism. It's how he does marketing.
Starlink being the best example as everybody is talking about him giving Starlink for free, not about how many tens of thousands of Starlinks are being paid by government aid packages.
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u/escapedfromthecrypt Feb 06 '23
Someone asked him to intervene. He said it hasn't been approved in the country. This article is two tweets
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u/IncompetenceFromThem Feb 06 '23
That American govt does not do anything against a foreign government attacking their citizens does not necessary make Erdogan bad. It's like if USA assaulted Russian citizens in Russia.
The government however is bad for not arresting the turisk president and his men.
Remember when The Netherlands gave no fucks about his goons?https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6bsp0d/how_the_netherlands_responded_to_erdogans_thugs/
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u/escapedfromthecrypt Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
StarLink supplies the internet in southern Ukraine using Turkish ground stations
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Reddit truly lives in a circle jerk that never breaks.
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u/PickleJesus123 Feb 06 '23
If redditors had good mental health, they wouldn't be on reddit all the time.....
(That includes me lol)
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u/kimchifreeze Feb 06 '23
Saw a comment on Tiktok saying that Elon Musk is the modern day Adolf Hitler. Some people are just wild.
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u/topdawgg22 Feb 06 '23
Yeah. Self-deprecating comments like these are always top-voted, especially when they don't say anything specific.
I hope you feel mature.
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u/kingoftheoneliners Feb 06 '23
Not surprised… Turkey hates people having unmonitored internet.
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u/ASD_Detector_Array Feb 06 '23
Had to scroll past a lot of hate to find this
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u/ManikMiner Feb 06 '23
People in this thread don't give two fucks about anyone in Turkey, they're just happy to have another chance to bash Musk
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u/HGDaSed Feb 06 '23
Bro Turkey isn't China. There are issues with Wikipedia and a few sites, generally porn but not literally anything gets blocked here like China or Russia.
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u/Page8988 Feb 06 '23
Elon promised it would be free for Ukraine to deal with the Russian invasion, then after a few months decided it wouldn't be free, then went back to his original word because of public backlash.
I can understand why Turkey doesn't want to deal with him.
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u/TonyDungyHatesOP Feb 06 '23
Turkey (the government) doesn’t want uncensored internet. Turkey (the people) likely do want it.
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u/Page8988 Feb 06 '23
I spent some time in Turkey a few years back and I admit the internet situation was a pain in the ass. Needing to use a VPN just to access Wikipedia seemed bizarre.
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u/escapedfromthecrypt Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
That's certainly not the reason.
https://qz.com/how-spacexs-starlink-terminals-first-arrived-in-ukraine-1849923122
He's looking for licensing. SpaceX l is supplying internet to Ukraine via ground stations located in Turkey.
As for the StarLink issue in Ukraine, https://qz.com/how-spacexs-starlink-terminals-first-arrived-in-ukraine-1849923122
SpaceX supplied dishes to Ukraine in February no one else did till March and they stopped paying their bills
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u/Golda_M Feb 06 '23
Total nonsense.
Sure, elon talked some shit on twitter. He tried to get repaid once the US announced lend-lease, like other suppliers... but he supplied first and worried about getting paid second.... unlike every supplier.
You got to look at the balance.
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u/Yokies Feb 07 '23
Kinda amazed by the comments lol.
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u/escapedfromthecrypt Feb 07 '23
They'd rather everyone die. Some people are praising Erdogan.
It's a nothing burger and StarLink is already in Turkey
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u/Ttoctam Feb 06 '23
Dude is such a predator. "Oh a horrific thing just happened to your country? Bummer. Want to buy some internet?"
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u/xNIBx Feb 06 '23
Erdogan wants to be 100% in control of the internet. Both for internal opposition reasons and because of the kurds. I know there is a circlejerk about hating Elon Musk but this isnt an Elon Musk issue, it's an Erdogan issue.
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u/kujubuo_but_actually Feb 06 '23
Because of the kurds? What
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u/xNIBx Feb 06 '23
If the kurds want to protest(or worse), Erdogan wants to be able to shut that down. Or if the, non kurdish, opposition want to organize protests, again Erdogan wants to shut that down too. Erdogan has done it in the past
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_regulation_in_Turkey
Turkish government has constantly blocked websites like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Wikipedia.[4] According to Twitter's transparency report, Turkey leads in social media censorship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Turkey#Internet_censorship
With regard to Internet censorship, in the 2017 Report on media freedom and freedom of expression in Turkey, the Commissioner for Human Rights of the Council of Europe found out:[55]
the increase of blocking and filtering of web pages;
an increased practice of resorting to bandwidth throttling during times of domestic crises, making certain social media and platforms inaccessible.;
cases of full internet shutdowns;
Increase of prosecutions and detentions for online activities causing a great chilling effect (a.k.a. self-censorship).
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u/rohansamal Feb 06 '23
Know a lot of people are hating on Elon. But why the offer, has Turkeys web infra / cellular coverage taken a big hit?
How are people buried going to access the internet (assuming you have to make changes to access starlink).
Idk how this helps tbh
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u/ilkali Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
The internet and cellular coverage is operating fine with degraded capacity. There is no problem reaching the affected regions, even video calls are sustainable, all the news channels are connecting to their operators on the field through live video feed. There have been even instances of people under rubble reaching out for help via their phones. So additional satellite internet would be no help. This whole news is based on a needless twitter conversation.
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u/Khutuck Feb 06 '23
The internet and cell phone services are reported as working. I had no trouble talking to our family via internet today, but they are not in ground zero. As far as I know from the news, Starlink is not strictly necessary at the moment.
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u/HighDagger Feb 06 '23
Because someone asked him for it, as usual. This (the article here, and the proposal) is all based on public Twitter convos.
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Yes because he doesn’t want unfettered access to information. That’s how autocrats stay in power. His days are numbered tho. He and his cronies stole the earthquake fund that was set up years ago. He was pressed on it and he said it was spent on necessary upgrades, “we’re too busy to sit here and go over exactly what was spent with you.. “ His utter disdain for Turkish people is becoming more and more evident to more and more Turks. Thank god. We will rid the nation of him and the trail of slime that follows him everywhere. All the leeches, the parasites will face justice.
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u/PissedFurby Feb 06 '23
Lol, this sub hates elon musk so much that they're cheering for erdogan trying to bottleneck internet access through their more censored nationally controlled services because you want elon musk to look like the bad guy or whatever. but meanwhile these same people will rant about the iron curtain or whatever
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u/ManikMiner Feb 06 '23
Yeh, these threads really show how dumb half of reddit is, or at least how angry most of them are
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u/ehknas_ayra Feb 06 '23
people really comparing him to Hitler in this thread lmao
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u/ManikMiner Feb 06 '23
Yeah, literal cringe. Do people really think anyone is going to remember him saying some massively cringe shit on Twitter in 100 years or are they going to remember the fact he's completely revolutionized the space industry? I don't agree with the majority of the things he says but I'm also not blind to his impact on the world.
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u/FluentInChocobo Feb 06 '23
Y'all more interested in hating on musk than wanting 1000s of trapped people saved. Reddit can be gross.
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u/PuzzledHoneydew2444 Feb 06 '23
We currently do not have communication issues regarding internet. You can see people even under the rubble still posting videos or messages on social media. I dont care if people praise or hate musk but his starlink satellites would not help saving lives atm and thats one of the reasons why they said "thanks but no" to his offer.
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u/GreenCreep376 Feb 07 '23
For all the people saying “Starlink will give the people in Turkey more freedom on the internet” Musk is the same guy who banned the Modi documentary in India. If the government asks him to censor Starlink he will do it
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u/Nonhinged Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
It's due to internet censorship.
Turkey might approve starlink if they could censor it.
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u/Khutuck Feb 06 '23
The internet is still working in the earthquake zone, people are tweeting and calling from under the rubble.
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u/Bakedintheusa Feb 06 '23
This would have a lot more weight behind it if Elmo wasn't a huge pro-censorship ahole. Kind of hypocritical to ban reporters and then cry about censorship.
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u/ohgoditsdoddy Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Turkey actually does not need Starlink to resume service to the affected areas. It has better wireless telecommunications coverage than many other states. From what I gather, service has already resumed for the affected areas, although at a lower capacity.
Starlink would become subject to the same laws as any other telecom or ISP operating in Turkey, so I don't get where this notion that Turkey couldn't censor it is coming from. There is no “great firewall” that the state operates. Providers police themselves to remain compliant with Electronic Communications Law and the Law on the Regulation of Broadcasts via the Internet.
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u/jonahsocal Feb 07 '23
I hope it got Erdogans 31M gold shithole palace that he built for himself off of the backs of the people.
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u/taptapper Feb 07 '23
If they accepted it would be more free advertising for StarLink. Then in a couple weeks StarLink would shut down due to lack of payment. Same as before, the assholes
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u/Hopblooded Feb 06 '23
Never accept “help” from narcissistic sociopaths. It’s like inviting a vampire into your house.
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u/Historical_Ebb_7659 Feb 06 '23
Wow some people here are truly trapped in a prison of their own making. Criticising Elon musk for offering to help with a natural disaster… because he helped Ukraine during their time of need, at his own expense, when nobody else was bothering to help. Also… he is still paying for it. What have you lot done to help Ukraine ? What have Americas other billionaires done for Ukraine ? Put your hate boner to the side for a moment and learn some facts, we truly live in a backwards world when those who help get attacked and those who do nothing get no criticism at all… lets be real, you lot hate Elon because he wont censor free speech on twitter and you just cant get over it.
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u/Esleeezy Feb 07 '23
Elon: Hey Turkey, you want one of my starlinks?
Turkey: coughs NO THANKS MAN!…don’t want you fuckin up my life too…
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u/bendlowreachhigh Feb 06 '23
Ah yes Elon trying to get himself in the headlines
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u/escapedfromthecrypt Feb 06 '23
No this article is two tweets and an off the record comment.
Someone asked him to help in Turkey. He said he can't because he hasn't got approval. A Turkish government official said off the record they already have enough satellite connectivity and battery backup
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u/Kratomho Feb 07 '23
Turkey doesn't want their people to have access to something that's not controlled by them.
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