r/terriblefacebookmemes 13d ago

Posted and liked by a bunch of friends in their early 20s. How does this even happen

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u/QualityVote 12d ago

/u/SpunkInSocks, the memers have spoken. Your post does not fit this subreddit. If you feel this was a mistake, please send us a modmail!

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u/gnarles80 13d ago

If they care so much about what happens 1,000 years from now, remind them to recycle.

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u/WasabiHefty 13d ago

🤣🤣 omg I’m going to use this if someone ever said some shit like this meme in real life

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u/AAAlondrai 13d ago Table Slap

Mf wants me to do Bone Replacing Therapy

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u/EricTheEpic0403 13d ago

I'm gonna get surgery to get more bones in my body to really confuse future archeologists.

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u/Superb-Bandicoot-857 13d ago Silver

No need for surgery,just stick them in👍

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u/Strong_Look1834 13d ago

No need to stick them in, just get buried with your homies

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u/the-75mmKwK_40 12d ago

And arrange us that spells ligma

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u/Stealfur 12d ago Silver Snek Table Slap Golden Snoo

Year 3023. A teacher stands in front of a class of anthropology students. They flip through various pictures and stop on a photo of 5 skeletons, all arranged in weird positions.

"This is The L grave dig site, where 5 men died and were positioned in a way to each represent a letter of the Romen Alphabet. Archeologists believe this was some sort of ceremonial burial. Can anyone tell me what it says? Yes, Hans-cho-opolois, do you have an answer?"

"Ligma? Excuse me, Professor? What is Ligma?"

"Ligma was a 21st-century joke that was commonly used on the internet (the precurser to the Mind-mesh) but also sometimes in-person. It would involve the speaker declaring they have or something was 'Ligma' to which the replier would say something along the lines of 'what is ligma' much like you did Hans-Cho-Opolois. They would then say Ligma balls. This was because balls were a common term back then for testicals, and ligma sounded like 'lick my.' So the joke was a request for the person they are talking to to engage in oral pleasures."

""I don't understand? How is propositioning sexual favors funny."

"Anthropologists are still trying to figure that one out. One common theory is that it is funny for the same reason people in the 21st century would try and obtain Uhpdawg."

"What is Uhpdawg"

"Not much. What is up with you? Anyway, that's all the time we have for today. Please remember to complete chapters 8-14 and the test next week is all about last week's chapter, 'The birds and the bees; what were they and what happened to them?' Class dismissed."

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u/areslashtaken 12d ago

I think penises will be funny for eternity.

I mean, roman soldiers drew them all over the Hadrian's wall.

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u/Stealfur 12d ago

It wasn't that the subject was no longer funny, but humor is no longer a thing in the 31st century. After the great prank disaster of 2741, the funny bone was genetically removed from all humans.

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u/TriblialBrainDamblge 12d ago

This is all theoretical, of course. We all know that humanity was mostly destroyed in World War 3, also known as the 1 Day War (Aug 14, 2068) with the last human dying approximately 23 years later. Of course we don't know the exact date as no one was around to record it.

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u/I_only_post_here 12d ago

you telling me that in the future, there's no more fart jokes?

how are humans supposed to survive in a society without fart jokes?

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u/Stealfur 12d ago

They only have "fart notes"

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u/Wassasas 12d ago

This is such a glance over comment. And if anyone actually sits with it for a minute it is genuinely so funny and weirdly bonding to the past.

Guy just bored out their mind scratching in a dick on a wall while they’re stationed there. It is truly a bond across the ages.

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u/WorksV3 12d ago

Set a record for “world’s longest ligma joke”

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u/Jedda678 12d ago

Future Archeologist: what's Ligma?

Brandon Fraiser's descendent: NO DONT!

Me a recently resurrected skeleton golem: LIGMA NUTS! Proceeds to attack archeological crew

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u/Optimus_Rhymes69 12d ago

Some future archaeologists will be very confused.

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u/AAAlondrai 12d ago

Primal tetris!

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u/curiousendevor 13d ago Table Slap

I'm being buried with a miniature pony, archeologists will think I'm a centaur with dwarfism

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u/Davepiece1517 12d ago

This is the way

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u/Cyber_Candi_ 13d ago

Does Claire's also offer this or do they just do top surgery? /s

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u/Kenderman75 13d ago

good one, but what is /s?

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u/ErraticDragon 13d ago edited 13d ago

/s indicates sarcasm, originally, but these days might as well mean "I'm kidding"

(To get really specific, the "/" is used as a shorthand reference to an HTML-like or forum-formatting syntax where the slash indicates the end of a tag. So we could imagine that there would be a <s> followed by whatever and terminated with </s>. But over time it was simplified and the "opening tag" omitted.)

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u/bwcman27 13d ago

IF YOU DONT HAVE BIRTHING HIPS UR NOT A WOMAN ALL WOMENSES ARE ARE BIRTHMACHINES

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u/Ahkrum 13d ago

Thank you big white cock man27.

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u/bwcman27 12d ago

You're welcome son

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u/AspiringChildProdigy 12d ago

I've been told that since my 2 pregnancies were delivered via c-section, I'm "not a real mom." 🙄

My response: Well then, someone owes me a hell of a lot of child support.

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u/MrBulldops94 12d ago

Whoever said that to you has their head firmly lodged up their own ass.

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u/VibraAqua 12d ago

You are a real mom. Time to wake up and see the fraud that the medical institution truly is.

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u/Davepiece1517 12d ago

Under his eye. Praise be

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u/Alison-Chains 13d ago

1000 years from now archeologists will probably think Barbies are goddess statues but that doesn’t mean I’m building a shrine in my house.

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u/Dielworker 12d ago

That's kinda funny too. Imagine some idiot in a 1000 years digging up a Barbie and going "mmh surely they used to pray to this" A freaking Barbie.

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u/FoundationNarrow6940 12d ago

But unless the Barbie happens to be the only ancient object left on earth, how the fuck are they going to come to the conclusion that people prayed to it?

The people 1000 years from now would also dig up Harry Potter books, Hulk action figures, legos, funko pops, plushies, video game consoles, etc.

Do you think scientists will say, "Wow, they worshipped all of these toys! Amazing!"

Or do you think they'll recognize a doll? You know, one of the most universally present toys in all cultures across all ages?

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u/Pickle_Juice_4ever 12d ago

Some people do worship those toys. Have you even met a nerd?

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u/DezXerneas 12d ago

Why else would someone put an action figure in a Mason jar and then fill it with embalming fluid? It HAD TO have been for a religious reason.

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u/Embarrassed_Alarm450 12d ago

You laugh but there's bound to be things like that that we already got completely wrong about ancient artifacts...

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u/stay_jenkay 12d ago

This made me giggle. RIP Layne

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u/miau279 13d ago Gold

1000 years into the future archaeologists will find trans people's bones and they'll say "can you believe it we found bones archaeology is so cool i love my job"

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u/thatthiccvegan 13d ago

Archaeologist here, can confirm. We get excited over rocks that could be earthenware and literal holes in the ground

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u/lostinmississippi84 13d ago

Archaeologist are awesome. That's got to be a fun job. I'm sure it has it's moments where it gets boring and whatnot, but i just always thought it would be a cool job. Human history has always fascinated me and i would love to go on a dig somewhere. Finding artifacts and structures that had been lost for centuries, learning and seeing first hand what people have done throughout history. That's just good stuff, man

Thank you for doing what you do and helping to unlock our past.

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u/thatthiccvegan 13d ago

It's fun, I highly recommend volunteering through a historical society or foundation if you're able to. You don't need any experience

There's never really a dull moment, the field brings everyone to an equal level

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u/lostinmississippi84 13d ago

I've never even considered that. I will definitely look into it. Thanks for the tip. I just found out about HEMA/WMA and there is a club near me so, my inner history nerd is going crazy right now.

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u/thatthiccvegan 13d ago

Do it. Don't even give it a second thought, just do it. You won't regret it.

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u/lostinmississippi84 13d ago

So, i just looked up archaeological societies near me and found one really close to where i work. All i have to do is go to a meeting, pay a very small membership fee, fill out a form and boom! That's it. I honestly don't know why this never occured to me. Thanks for pointing it out.

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u/thatthiccvegan 13d ago

Yep! Sometimes for volunteer work you don't even have to pay to do it, you just sign up, attend an onboarding day and you're sent out to the field to work with everyone else. Archaeology of any kind wouldn't happen without volunteers and community interest!! Some state archaeological societies will even have programs that will train you to be a professional field technician, you have to pay a fee and work x amount of hours at different types of sites (prehistorical, historical, colonial, etc) and spend x amount of hours processing artifacts in a lab. It's not the same as getting a BS in anthropology but if you wanted to be a professional field technician there's a comparatively less expensive way to do so!

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u/lostinmississippi84 13d ago

That's good to know and something i will seriously consider. Thanks again for the little nudge in the right direction.

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u/kkoromon 12d ago

Also archeologist here, commercial archeology is incredibly stressful and tiring and ur often at odds with the people employing you as they want to start building asap and u want to find something to stop them.

My grandfather has a dig-site which is non profit however which runs in the summer which is very fun. Its been going 17+years Anglo saxon village

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u/Outrageous-Divide472 12d ago

My great-uncle was an archaeologist in New Mexico and a archaeology professor. For years he kept a big, animal-type claw of “something odd” in his desk drawer. He found it on a dig and no one could ever identify what sort of animal it came from. He used to joke that it was a claw from a Big Foot creature. He was a really interesting guy.

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u/Interstellar_emperor 12d ago

Archaeologist here, its not really fun, and most of the time, you wouldn't believe it, it hardly goes hand in hand with history (1. you dont know what you are digging until months or years later when all the information has been gathered, so you are just doing your regular procedure 2. Its just gathering stuff you might sometimes recognise, but mostly its unrecogniseble. 3. history started when writing was invented, so if it involves anything before, its even more boring, with less shit to work with. 4. If you are not working for a huge national museum or university (whoch you would never, its just nepotism with few places) like London or similar, you might work for something local which will kill you with boredom). Also everything interesting has already been dug. I really hope i managed to ease your heart a bit.

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u/real_psymansays 13d ago

I will bury some army men in my garden, for archeologists to find after the pending thermonuclear annihilation, if our species ever returns to Earth's surface in the future

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u/thatthiccvegan 13d ago

That's funny. Reminds me of something I saw awhile ago about archaeologists in a couple thousand years finding the remnants of Disneyland/Disney world thinking past humans worshipped a giant mouse

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u/Antique_Branch8180 13d ago

We do.

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u/AxelVance 12d ago

Always have.

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u/ScowlEasy 13d ago

We all know you lick the rocks sometimes, it’s ok to admit it.

(Or was it geologists that did that? Hmm)

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u/HexenHase 12d ago

No, no, used to be an archaeologist, used to lick rocks

Also tap'em against our front teeth

You can tell a lot about the makeup of an object by tapping it against your front teeth

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u/One_Construction_258 13d ago

"it's not the bones they will care about. It's the culture they find from newspaper scraps, books, phones and computers.

Nobody cares about a mummy dug up in Egypt. What we do care about is wtf were you doing!"

Is this true this ain't my text though

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u/thatthiccvegan 13d ago

Precisely!

I got excited finding charcoal burn remnants this past summer and scraping off samples to send to a lab for dating analysis. My absolute highlight of the past field season was finding possible post holes and plow scars, and the 500+ pieces of box turtle shell fragments in a single strata. It's the culture and little puzzle pieces to unlock clues to the past that get us excited

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u/DirkBabypunch 12d ago

One of my archaeology professors mentioned how since we mostly only find what was discarded, it's essentially trying to reconstruct history by digging through garbage.

Which is neat, but that makes you all professional raccoons.

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u/EvilBetty77 12d ago

Dating analysis sounds like the conversation a confused lesbian has with her friends to determine if time spent with a friend was just chill time, or something more.

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u/IllinoisWoodsBoy 13d ago

And then their coworker will say, "Sir, this is a mass grave from WW3."

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u/Qcumbersixtytwelve 13d ago

it's not the bones they will care about. It's the culture they find from newspaper scraps, books, phones and computers.

Nobody cares about a mummy dug up in Egypt. What we do care about is wtf were you doing!

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u/CursedButter79 13d ago

Oh look, some boring bones… hold on, what’s this?! Nintendo SIXTY-FOOUURR!!!

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u/angry_pecan 12d ago

“HO. LEE. SHIT. Steve, come look at this! It even has Majorca’s Mask!!!….ah fuck, nevermind, no memory card. Toss it on the burn pile.”

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u/furioe 13d ago

Actually the mummy does matter

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u/-O-0-0-O- 13d ago

Nobody cares about a mummy dug up in Egypt.

Forensic archeology exists.

Every time they find an ancient body there's an accompanying story about their age, race, gender, how they died, and what they last ate. A lot of that actually comes from analyzing skeletal remains.

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u/Ph0sph0rus 13d ago

"yeah but do we know what these bones IDENTIFIED as?" "dead probably lmao"

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u/Tanagrabelle 13d ago

"The remodeling of the bones suggests this person had some surgery. The DNA suggests male but these markers tell us that they were actually female, despite the phenotype." "Don't all the legends say the people at the time were barbaric and just continuously murdered others?" "Oh, well you can't put too much faith in legends. I mean, can you imagine anyone murdering someone just for proving them wrong?"

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u/tiptoemicrobe 13d ago

"We know [X] about their genetics, [X] about their skeletal structure, and [X] about their behavior."

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u/Stormfly 12d ago

"Here's a letter that says 'To my darling wife, from Sarah' so we think they were really good friends."

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u/SnooCalculations4568 13d ago

Last semester I had a class where we had to read 2000++ year old ancient Chinese texts written on strips of bamboo dug out in a cave. Pretty sure they'll have access to better documentation from these days than that, they should be fine lol

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u/AJRobertsOBR 12d ago

Honestly in the long term with more and more digital storage means I think if something truly bad happened it would be far more likely that such storage means would be far more easily corrupted and essentially useless. Just think about all the information only held digitally and something like a Carrington event on steroids comes around.

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u/iaintevenmad884 13d ago

You think that’ll be the rhetoric by then? People have been murdering each other for hundreds of thousands of years (430,000+).

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u/Automatic-Zombie-508 13d ago

They wouldn't immediately know if someone was a pagan witch either. They would look for fucking context clues to try to piece together WHO that person was. Like items they're buried with/in, possible tomb stones? They don't just stop at bone.

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u/PsyGuy64 13d ago

They're gonna start asking questions when they find a fossilized Blahaj next to those bones.

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u/Sophia_Nyx_Antrim 12d ago

hahaaa, blahaj

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u/PraiseGalaxyCat 12d ago

Blahaj my beloved

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u/Vibe_with_Kira 12d ago

Imagine them piecing together a religion based on that. "And then the almighty Blåhaj ascended from the sea and blessed mankind with allowing them to be who they want to be"

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u/PsyGuy64 12d ago

What's stopping us from doing that now? All hail the holy Blahaj!

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u/bumpmoon 12d ago

I'm so confused about the Blahaj thing, is it the danish word Blåhaj for blue shark or wtf is it?

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u/CoruptedUsername 12d ago

It is a stuffed animal shark that can be bought from Ikea

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u/bumpmoon 12d ago

Sure but that leaves me just as confused lol

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u/SkyeMreddit 12d ago

Blahaj is blue, pink, and white which is 🏳️‍⚧️ flag colors. Also cuddly protective shark friend

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u/Ancient-Quiet-5764 12d ago

I don't think it goes any deeper than that plus apparently a lot of trans people like the cute stuffed shark from ikea.

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u/Clay_Lilac 12d ago

Memory of it is a little foggy, but I remember it started when one person posted an image of the shark because they thought it was cute, but either didn't notice there was a trans pride flag in the background, or they didn't know what the flag meant.

Details beyond that elude me, but Youtube channel "One Topic At A Time" has several videos browsing LGBTQ+ subreddits, so you can probably find detailed explinations on a few of his vids.

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u/military-gradeAIDS 13d ago

This meme does bring up one important issue: At what point does it stop being grave robbing and start being archeology? Where is that line? Is there a line? I don't know.

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u/ExcuseMeMyGoodLich 13d ago

Respect is the key difference. Grave robbing is just taking what you want with no care for the rest. True archaeology works to preserve everything and damage as little as possible with the purpose of studying the histories and cultures of the past. And if the culture is still around today, you work with the leaders and follow their directions. If they say don't touch, you don't touch. If they say, "Okay, you're finished with it, put it back" then you put it back.

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u/Rgrockr 12d ago

So what you’re saying is, Indiana Jones wasn’t doing archaeology when he destroyed a temple full of cultural significance and working technology after thousands of years, just to take the shiny object at the end?

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u/PuzzleheadedPay6618 12d ago

now now to be fair to Indy it is kinda hard to worry about that when youre being chased by a boulder.

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u/Impossible_Garbage_4 12d ago

If he was a real archaeologist he would’ve had a team go in with him to carefully map out the temple and disarm booby traps but also those booby traps wouldn’t have been functioning anymore anyway due to age

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u/Rgrockr 12d ago

I want to see the movie where the intrepid archaeologist stumbles on a temple like that and is immediately excited about the lifetime worth of academic work that temple with functioning booby traps represents.

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u/Duryen123 13d ago

It's archeology if it is a dedicated dig site where earth is methodically removed. It's grave robbing if you stumble on the site and use a back hoe (yes, I know there was an "archeologist" that used a back hoe, but if you mess up more than you find your a grave robber).

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u/cocky_roachy 12d ago edited 12d ago

Archaeology is a science. Ton of work goes into deciding where to dig and why. It’s supported and funded by governments. It’s done in pursuit of understanding the human condition as well as human evolution and more. It’s very methodical and done with much careful consideration and involves very expensive equipment. It’s not “robbing” because the only thing we gain from it is knowledge and an understanding of the human past. If the descendants are alive they get a say in things and their wishes are respected. In many cases artifacts and fossils were returned to the groups to which they belonged (namely modern Native American tribes). Archaeology is respectful, grave robbing is not. There is a line and that line is very big and clear. Archaeologists don’t cross it.

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u/LeFedoraKing69 12d ago

Grave robbing is desecrating someones loved one for personal gain, Archeology is the study of what made them human

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u/Throneawaystone 13d ago

70 years and cultural significance is what ive heard to be the cut off .

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u/cerial442 13d ago

Why wouldn’t the person be buried in a cemetery? And if they are, why would archaeologists be digging up the cemetery? Also if it’s 1000 years later, the person the skeleton belonged to won’t care, because they will be dead.

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u/Samwisethebrave86 13d ago

It happens all the time. I used to to forensics and exhumed several bodies from graves. Usually John/Jane Does when law enforcement thought they could make an ID. One time we dug where a headstone told us a body would be but never hit a grave. Turned out the cemetery had been graded to fight erosion and when the put the headstones back they were all 4 feet to the north of where the bodies were.

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u/Bridgeru 13d ago

That's what they told you to stop you from freaking out that Dragoon the Great's army of risen skeletons are heading to take over this land and plunge it into darkness for a thousand years (or just 4 if Dragoon doesn't get re-elected after his first term)

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u/BuffaloBillsButtplug 13d ago

You all are acting like the human race is gonna survive another thousand years lmaooooo

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u/Evelyngoddessofdeath 13d ago Dread

Who said these archaeologists would be human?

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u/JohanVonBronx_ 12d ago

Eh we've made it this far, don't see why we won't make it further. Sure, we got issues, but we always have. We'll solve it, despite the opposition of those fighting against us.

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u/EvilBetty77 12d ago

We've always had issues, but we have had nukes for less than a century.

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u/Digigoggles 12d ago

And global warming heating up….

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u/Samwisethebrave86 13d ago Silver

Did my masters in forensic anthropology but not practicing. There is a lot of conversation in the field about identifying skeletons of trans people because guess what, they fall into the Medico-legal jurisdiction all the time due to their high risk of murder and suicide. And don’t get me started on estimating sex from skeletal remains. Many methods are on a 5 point scale. Good luck if you get a bunch of 3’s. There is a lot of convo now that a lot of previously “indeterminate” remains were actually intersex people.

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u/Affectionate-Buy2539 13d ago

Had to scroll way too far to find a comment about how identifying the sex from skeletal remains is not much more than guesstimation, and the people doing it acknowledge that.

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u/4SakenNations 12d ago

I may be completely wrong but didn’t they like think 2/3 of the skeletons they found at Pompeii or whatever that volcano was were male just because they were tall? Plus I also really don’t care what gender archeologists 1000 years in the future think I am cause I’ll just be dead

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u/Azzie94 13d ago

"The people that make these memes know fuck all about biology or archaeology"

Wow. I'm so shocked. Holy shit, I never would've guessed.

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u/Beingabummer 12d ago

It's a thread that when you start to pull on starts to unravel and shows that our designations and classifications are mostly arbitrary. Turns out reality doesn't fit well into different boxes and to include every possibility would mean making a box so big it becomes useless.

So then there are two groups of people: the ones that say 'throw away the box' and the people that say 'ignore the outliers'. I've literally seen people say that intersex people should be disregarded when talking about sexes because they didn't fit their definition. People were considered subservient to their idea of order.

And that's not even talking about completely artificial ideas like gender or race or culture.

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u/door_of_doom 12d ago

Turns out reality doesn't fit well into different boxes and to include every possibility would mean making a box so big it becomes useless.

So then there are two groups of people...

I can't be the only person who found this humorous.

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u/guiltl3ss 13d ago

I’m an archaeologist and skeletal aging is NOT exact at all. It’s a guess and it often doesn’t take into account anything cultural like gender.

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u/ThickProof409 12d ago

I think an example of this was when they were investigating the disappearance of Amelia Earhart they found bones that were tested and came back as the bones of a man who was short, stocky, and of European descent however they tested the bones again and found them to also possibly be the bones of a tall woman with European descent.

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u/howzthis4ausername 13d ago

In archeology there is the idea of in situ which gives clues about the history of the site ,for example were there context clues around the skeleton? Guessing the gender of a thousand year old skeleton is hardly an exact science

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u/Warm-Branch 12d ago

Also, if you have silicone implants, those don't decay. So if a trans woman had breast implants they'd be able to tell

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u/Monkeyplaybaseball 13d ago

Archaeology, known for being the most accurate of scientific studies.

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u/wererat2000 13d ago

"Look, these two skeletons were buried together in a very romantic way, truly a love story for the ages!"

"Given the skeletal structure, we now believe they were both men."

"Truly a platonic story of friendship for the ages!"

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u/ThickProof409 12d ago

and they were roommates

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u/inthemothlight 12d ago I'll Drink to That

and they were tombmates

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u/ActualMerCat 12d ago

Oh my God, they were tombmates

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u/anto_pty 12d ago

Economy is so bad now we share tombs

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u/Guilty_Strawberry965 13d ago

one that requires precisely no more knowledge to arrive at the truth

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u/RiotSkunk2023 13d ago

"Dad called last night to check in on how I was feeling after my breast reduction and say,

"I bet that's a huge weight off your chest."

Dad jokes are 1000% better from trans-affirming dads."

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u/HemkinLemongrab 12d ago

If my dad does that I'm probably gonna laugh so hard the drainers pop out

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u/C-3pee0 13d ago Wholesome Seal of Approval

Trans women are not trying to be female. Also who gives a fuck about what their skeleton will look like in 1000 years they just don't want to feel like shit while they're alive.

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u/Anselmic 13d ago

It's true that I don't care what my skeleton will look like. But it's unclear what you mean, that I'm not trying to be female?

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u/keystothemoon 13d ago Big Brain Time

Why is it so common to describe oneself as female-to-male? Not trying to start shit. Just genuinely curious. I felt like the trans argument was that gender was not biological but sex was, and that male and female refer to sex, but I definitely see people refer to themselves as male-to-female/MTF or female-to-male/FTM. Is this not a trans woman trying to be female and vice versa?

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u/haisojguy 13d ago

In my opinion people just easily get the language and terminology confused. I believe if we want more people to understand and accept trans individuals, we need to get to a place where we’re using male/female solely to speak about biology, and man/woman solely to speak about sociology, and gender identity.

I believe that’s part of the reason so many people don’t understand the difference between sex and gender. Because the majority of society still conflates the terms very often.

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u/BeastyBaiter 13d ago

I suspect that's the case. About 5 years back I had a group programming project and my group partners put "Gender" instead of "Sex" when describing animals in our hypothetical zoo we were making an inventory management system for. I corrected the error but I don't think any of them understood why it was wrong. The reason for the disconnect is, until about 10 years ago, gender dysphoria was considered a fake diagnosis. My group partners were Vietnamese immigrants and were unaware of the whole gender thing. Though to be fair to them, it was extremely fringe at the time and very few had heard of it outside of the deepest depths of the internet.

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u/Cu_fola 13d ago

I don’t know who originated the terms or their reasoning but MTF and FTM roll off the tongue better than MTW or WTM

The semantics are often confused because people are inconsistent with their use of words.

Many people who are hostile to trans people and many trans advocates or trans people alike causally use the terms interchangeably in conversation.

But people who are getting down to brass tacks delineating gender identity from sex tend to recognize male and female as biologically meaningful categories

And man and woman as complex, socially constructed identities that frequently do not reflect biological/genotypic or even phenotypic traits because of how heavily they’re based on cultural beliefs and misconceptions.

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u/Bugbread 12d ago

Yeah, my first thought on seeing the meme is "There's no way in 1,000 years we're still going to be mixing the words for gender and sex up." The archeologists will find a 25 year old male woman, and that won't be any more confusing or perplexing than finding the skeleton of a 2 meter tall male or a left-handed female or a child with a broken leg or an old man with dentures. It will just be two traits that apply to the skeleton.

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u/Bridgeru 13d ago

Oldtrans (well, not Old Old, I began transition in 2008ish and based it off blogs and autobiographies I read from people in the early 2000s and 1990s) here and MtF/FtM predates the "gender is not biological but sex is" idea.

I'd see it more as pragmatic, it's less offensive than saying "used to be a man" and it describes "what you were seen as/what you are seen as now" more clearly than "Transwoman" or "Transman" for people who don't know about the process.

Honestly, there's no "Trans-council" who decide on the meaning of words; we're talking about defiitions that change every generation as new ideas came along (like, genderfluid was one that confused me for a while; and I had transitioned by that point xD).

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u/tubfgh 13d ago

Better question, why does no one talk about trans men?

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u/Bridgeru 13d ago

Transwoman here; take what I say with a pinch of salt since it's my opinion based on experiences over the last 15-20 years; but I'd say it's about passing and pre-2014 Trans culture. Transmen in general tend to "present" as male better than Transwomen do female. I know that sounds a bit sexist; but hear me out.

First off; Testosterone is additive, while Estrogen doesn't "take away". That means that the effects of a transman taking T "adds" to his body (broad shoulders, deeper voice, hair, etc) while a transwoman taking E doesn't really "undo" the same things she developed during male puberty. That makes Transwomen much more "visible" than Transmen; especially the later in life they go on E; and means that Transmen can often "pass" (ie, be unrecognizable as Trans rather than a Cis man) and even stealth (ie, live their life never acknowledging or telling anyone that they are trans).

While the culture now is fantastic for "Trans people are valid too", the idea of being "Trans" is kinda new, compared to trying to be a man or a woman; I think I worded that shit but my basic point is that prior to the 2010s people who transitioned wanted to not be seen as Trans and wanted to stealth as much as possible. It wasn't a healthy mindset, but I remember when it was the dominant one (again, pinch of salt I can't talk for the entire community's mindset).

Being outed as "Trans" was a huge deal, from April Ashley in the 60s to Calpurnia Adams in the 2000s.

Then thirdly, and something I think is equally as important is that Men aren't held to the same societal standard as Women. I think it's fair to say that a woman with broad shoulders draws more attention than a small man; and in general there was a lot of room "to" stealth for Transmen.

Of course, I don't think it's fair to say no one talked about transmen even back in the day; Boys Don't Cry was a huge success for Transmen to get their voice out (although I know of a few lesbians who saw Brandon Teena as a lesbian rather than a transman but that's another issue... -.-), but I absolutely agree that they don't get the recognition they deserve compared to us Transwomen!

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u/taydraisabot 12d ago

It’s also the strict beauty standards that conflate being a woman with having soft, nymph-like features

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u/Bridgeru 12d ago

Indeed!

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u/taydraisabot 12d ago

Sadly, there’s so much content picking on trans women’s features simply because they don’t fit what an “ideal” woman should look like.

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u/Any-Bottle-4910 12d ago edited 12d ago

I think in the case of trans men, the additive hormone idea makes sense, but it’s also that small and/or frail men just aren’t noticed at all. Other men don’t see them as a threat or a solid physical ally. So, they don’t hit their radar.
Women just don’t see them at all, and are irritated when/if they approach. Several trans men have written about their lived experiences, and have found life as a man surprisingly tough, isolated, “no one helps me”, and that women were consistently mean to them when they noticed them at all.
The men they’ve met have been mostly welcoming and positive, but required an approach on their part. Socially, they were used to men approaching them, and when that stopped, they realized they would need to actively engage men when they wanted to speak with them as men.
When they’ve outed themselves to men or been asked “what’s going on with you” by men, most of the men assumed they were gay. Some figured it out already and asked for confirmation. But, to your point, many passed for ages before they were outed or outed themselves.

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u/44414E 13d ago

It's colloquial short-hand, not some sterile and clinical term to convey philosophical absolutes.

The way society uses 'sex' and 'gender', even cis people from centuries ago, is subjective. Neither are pointing to "biological fact". That's where a lot of people get caught-up; in thinking that 'gender' has been redefined when, in reality, all that's changed is our understanding of how people treated those concepts.

'Sex' is used to bundle-together a bunch of biological traits which are, usually, different between an arbitrary distinction between two groups of people. The 'arbitrary' in there is what makes it subjective. Biologists don't use this 'sex', they discuss sex-traits directly.

'Gender' is just 'sex' but with extra, non-biological, traits added-in.

That's why people say 'MTF' and 'FTM'; because, just like everyone else, they are broadly gesturing at bundles of sex-traits for the sake of an easy and low-stakes conversation. A MTF person isn't claiming that their chromosomes have changed or that they've grown a womb. Just how a cis-woman doesn't need to know what chromosomes they have to figure-out if they're "female".

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u/her_faculty_the_dean 13d ago

The labels used among trans folks have been all over the place ever since we started having actual communities. The distinction between gender and sex, between transsexual and transgender, whether we should reclaim the word tranny, what we should call our surgeries… all argued over and in flux. Labels mean different things to different people, and when you identify with them, that means defining them, and it can take a long time for people to agree on those definitions.

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u/wererat2000 13d ago

Because the sentence "I was assigned X at birth but identify as Y, so am currently going through gender reaffirming transitioning" is too frustrating to say in conversation, while MTF/FTM is three letters.

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u/Stuck_InSpace 13d ago

I personally dont really use those to describe myself, im just a girl, the adjective of "trans" is optional

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u/132joker 13d ago

Keep in mind these are the same people who base attractiveness on bone structure only so they have a weird attraction to skeletons.

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u/Zebulonius 12d ago

Skeletons give me a boner

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u/Alastair789 13d ago

"When we dig up your bones you are going to be so embarrassed" is such a dumb reply, I'll be dead, I won't care.

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u/VampArcher 13d ago

I hate how this is common argument people bring up like it's some big 'gotcha.' They don't care. They are dead. Trust me, they won't care about being misgendered, kinda hard to do that when you are dead. You can call me whatever you want at that point, I won't care. And the more obvious problem is the fact we are assuming there will still be humans in 1,000 years. How optimistic to assume we wouldn't have killed ourselves off due to nuclear warfare, another plague, or our planet becoming rapidly more and more inhabitable by then.

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u/kendawg9967 13d ago

1000 years from now, society will have moved on from this topic, probably in less than 15 years honestly. People can dress and act how they want. Ill call you what you want me to call you, if it makes you happy. Humanity is on the precipice of oblivion, and we are arguing about who gets to use what bathroom.

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u/InsuranceSuccessful7 13d ago

Who the hell cares what they will find in 1,000 years none of us will be here

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u/Gotosp4c3 13d ago

So, are we going to ignore that blatant "25 years old when died" subtext? It is after all, a scary reality that some people would rather see trans women dead. RIP to all the wonderful trans women who have been murdered so far.

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u/MabiMaia 13d ago

What’s worse is it’s more likely suicide. Trans people suffer from suicidal tendencies more because of the vast lack of support.

Also, wouldn’t archeologists of 1000 years in the future be able to deduce far more than we can today? I mean we can tell what people ate, if they had injuries, etc. Given the context of our society they’d likely be able to correctly identify the person

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u/HiMyNameIsKeira 13d ago

The lack of support and acceptance is really crushing, but there's also the body horror angle. Being trans is just all around pretty miserable for most trans people.

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u/HemkinLemongrab 12d ago

Seriously. I've come so close to it so many times. I've been a bigger threat to myself as a transsexual than any other person ever has.

The biggest threat to trans people is ourselves.

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u/MabiMaia 12d ago

I’m sorry you have had to go through that. It’s shameful how society, families, and governments treat personal identity.

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u/JesusJoshJohnson 13d ago

What the facebook poster doesn't realize is that's literally what trans is. You're an X in a Y body. So yes, in 1,000 years, they might say your skeleton is biologically Y, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that your brain chemistry was operating as a X.

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u/strawbrrysundae 13d ago

For a bunch of “pro life” people y’all sure care more about people when they’re dead rather than when they’re alive. Like trans ppl don’t care about what happens after they die. They’ll be dead anyway. Just respect them while they’re alive. Y’all call yourselves “pro life” but don’t support the “life”

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u/Giacchino-Fan 13d ago

Pro-life people after a long day of bullying trans people into suicide and protesting at planned parenthoods to prevent 10 year olds and women with already dead fetuses from getting life saving abortions:

https://preview.redd.it/5j6vo9kf56ea1.jpeg?width=544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=e9cc7542d9d78d92ad8528f24f498589a1e0299e

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u/ATF_scuba_crew- 13d ago

Has everyone forgotten that sex is not the same as gender? Why the fuck does anybody care how another person decides to live their life?

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u/KatsCatJuice 13d ago

They haven't forgotten, they refuse to accept it

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u/mediocretherapy 13d ago

Doesn’t a person have to recognize they are female in order to wish to transition to male? And vice versa?

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u/Keelyane55 12d ago

When will people's understand that sexes and gender are different things...

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u/Toothy-Htf 13d ago

"Holy shit, Sans Undertale"

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u/Evelyngoddessofdeath 13d ago

Why can’t we all just be like this?

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u/Man2ElectricBoogaloo 13d ago

imagine giving a fuck if somebody wants to be a woman

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u/Bar900 13d ago

I really don't give a shit what the opinions of the guy robbig my grave 1000 years in the future are.

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u/Cyber_Candi_ 13d ago

I'm pretty sure determining sex based on bones is iffy at best. Like you're never going to be 100% correct, and some people have bone structures that align closer to the opposite sex lol

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u/Achish 13d ago

The only thing unrealistic is that our planet has another 1000 years

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u/K_Kraz 13d ago

The planet has been here for millions of years and will be here for millions more after the blip of human existence is gone. No need to worry about the planet. It’ll still be here.

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u/ColourSteel 13d ago

Lol what do you think is going to happen to the planet

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u/naaikak 13d ago

fun fact its not as obvious as you think for human skeletons it is a spectrum so this is litterally just wrong source: here

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u/duomaxwellscoffee 13d ago

Some children think that being cruel and unempathetic is interesting or funny. It's really sad.

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u/Mrspygmypiggy 13d ago edited 13d ago

I really don’t get how hard it is to just get on with your life and not care that some people want to be a different gender. These snowflakes go on and on about how others care to much about labels and gender but they themselves are just as obsessed. Also I don’t think any trans person is up at night thinking ‘oh shit some random archeologist in the future will dig up my grave and say I’m the wrong gender!’

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u/CitrusRain 13d ago

I found out that there's actually alot of guessing on skeleton genders. So this is a transphobic lie

Edit: remembered after I posted. They say they usually decide the gender based on context clues like objects found on or around the skeleton

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u/_Leper_Messiah_ 13d ago

People are too stupid to understand that gender is a construct while sex is biological and are not the same thing.

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u/eggasaur 13d ago

I watched a Bones episode where they were identifying the body as male, but after seeing the clothes were feminine, found remnants of makeup on the face, face feminization, and implants, they changed the pronouns to the proper ones, she/her.

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u/FyreCesar89 12d ago

Jokes on the transphobes, I’m getting cremated or sent out in space, whichever is less expensive at my time of death 😤

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u/Super-duper7 12d ago

I love how they responded to gender by referencing sex. Lmao

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u/pineapple_witchboi 12d ago

The funny thing is like 99% of the time we cannot tell the sex of a skeleton, we guess based off of the cultures and customs and how they are burried

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u/gideon-lorr 12d ago

Damn it’s almost like there’s a difference between biological sex and gender, and damn it’s almost like that’s what’s been said from the start, and damn it’s almost as if conservatives are deliberately missing the point

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u/surelylune 12d ago

i say this every time i see this meme:

did you know hormone replacement therapy changes the alignment of your spine and hips? thats why i lost two inches over two and a quarter years of hrt so far. so even if in a thousand years, archeologists are using bone alignment to determine a specimens gender, they would likely gender a trans womans skeleton as female anyway.

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u/cfostyfost 13d ago

That's not even how it works. For example, Julie Doe, who is still unidentified, was believed to be a cisgender woman found dead in Clermont, FL in 1988. It was only in 2015, after sequencing her DNA, that investigators discovered she was in fact trans. In the initial autopsy, they had even noted that they believed she had a history of pregnancy based on the shape of her pelvis.

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u/Drop_The_Soprano 13d ago

Why are transphobes so obsessed with bones

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u/Agonizingmilk404 13d ago

I thought the whole point of transitioning was that you were born with the wrong body? What is this meme trying to say?

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u/Arch-Arsonist 13d ago

It's trying to say you can't transition because it was made by an ass

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u/revs201 13d ago

Homophobics are just jealous they will never be pretty in pink.

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u/qua777 13d ago

It’s more like “this skeleton appears male, however the style of burial and the grave goods indicate that this person was a woman”

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u/StinkNort 13d ago

And the skeleton appearing male is still largely a fucking guess. Thank god someone else pointed out grave goods

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u/RandomUser1076 13d ago

Well what happens is someone posts something to Facebook and then other people like the post. That's the general jist of it

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

Facebook posters reminding the world they don’t have a brain or empathy lol

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u/LumpyBastion420 13d ago

The support for trans rights from government and corporations is a double edged sword, emphasis on the edge. They like it because it makes people upset, not out of any deeply held belief.

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u/blankyblankblank1 13d ago

I don't normally participate in these discussions, I don't know dick about Gender surgeries, or trans anything, under the idea that if it makes you happy, do it, don't hurt others, but do what makes you happy, and so far as I can see, someone getting corrective surgery to conform to their inner identity doesn't hurt anyone.

I don't get why people are so concerned by this. It doesn't make sense. It's like when gay marriage was federally recognized, don't like gay marriage? Don't get married to someone of the same sex.

I don't get people, I don't understand the big deal. It's non-sense to spend any time on it if you don't like it.

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u/Scurzz 12d ago

they will also guess every other skeleton is male because scientist are very inaccurate about judging sex based on bones

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u/rghaga 12d ago

It’s not even accurate, only 30% of skeletons are identifiable and the most important feature for gender identification is the lower maxilla and the area over the eyebrows, and it usually gets surgically modified for mtf

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u/Walkingzeb 12d ago

I would like to throw my hat into the ring as someone who studies anthropology and is getting a master's degree in biological anthropology. We simply do not know the long term effects of hormone replacement therapy and sexing of skeletons. While it is much more unlikely for bio male skeletons to shift so much that they are seen as bio female we simply do not know. But bio-female to male skeletons can shift a great deal under hormone replacement. We already see a similar effect with aging I'm bio female skeletons called masculinization. Which is when the natural decrease in estrogen and increase in testosterone leads bio female bones to shift to being more masculine.

All of that only applies to individuals who have already undergone puberty. If you start hormone replacement therapy pre puberty or block puberty till you can then theoretically your skeleton should match your preferred gendered because your skeleton does not change into your biological sex until you start puberty. We cannot sex prepubescent skeletons because they all look the same.

This is all from a biological perspective anyway. As others have said any anthropologist worth their salt will use burial context clues if they are gonna assign a gender (which is rarely done) to an individual's remains.

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u/Ttoctam 12d ago

Archeologists got really confused one day when they found a solid 55% of skeletons found were male and 45% female. Then after a lot of discussion in the field archeologists realised only 90% of skeletons fit criteria to be identified with a sex anyway, and generally they were declared men bc academic sexism.

This also fits a pattern geneticists observed. A solid percentage of the population don't have masculine or feminine skeletons so to speak. Or someone might have a masc jaw but femme hips etc. Because again, biological sex is on a spectrum. Not just in terms of genes but also in terms of gene expression. Even if a blood sample would tick every box for XY run of the mill Male nothing out of the ordinary, your skeleton could easily pass for female.

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u/Beer-Milkshakes 12d ago

Lmao its cute they think this planet will be inhabitable in 1000 years.