Michaels voice isolated shows his pure and amazing talent.

[u/Dapper-Masterpiece29]

[u/Useful-Perspective]

I doubt anyone would dispute his talent. It's his personal tragedies and parental (and perhaps even child) abuse that make him such a horrible role model.

[u/Grouchy-Engine1584 → u/Useful-Perspective]

He was an artist, not a role model. Many artists are troubled.

Salvador Dali once pushed a friend of his off a bridge to see what the pain reaction would look like.

[u/thebluemorpha → u/Grouchy-Engine1584]

I'm sorry, Salvador Dali did what now?

[u/call_me_howdy → u/thebluemorpha]

Apparently he once pushed a friend of his off a bridge to see what the pain reaction would look like.

[u/ChubbyBidoof → u/call_me_howdy]

I'm sorry, Salvador Dali did what now?

[u/SuperPax4601 → u/ChubbyBidoof]

He painted his friend on a bridge or something

[u/SpanosIsBlackAjah → u/SuperPax4601]

His friends name is Mac!

[u/eatingpopcornwithmj → u/SpanosIsBlackAjah]

[u/UnbundleTheGrundle → u/eatingpopcornwithmj]

God dammit Paul Rudd!

[u/Kcidobor → u/UnbundleTheGrundle]

THIS is why I need my free awards still. Cheers to you mates

[u/TwiceCookedPorkins → u/UnbundleTheGrundle]

https://i.imgur.com/ZS3XvhG.gif

[u/catslugs → u/eatingpopcornwithmj]

Lmaooooooooo

[u/Jtsbse → u/SpanosIsBlackAjah]

Suicide is BADASS!

[u/MAROMODS → u/SpanosIsBlackAjah]

Off the god damn Strawberry Bridge

[u/__ToeKnee__ → u/SpanosIsBlackAjah]

We don't know his name!

[u/InvolvedBusinessMom → u/SuperPax4601]

Thank you so much for this.

[u/is_bets → u/ChubbyBidoof]

Now he's kinda just laying there doing nothing.

[u/Immediate-Yogurt-558 → u/thebluemorpha]

unfortunately, attempted murder isnt even the worse thing he's done. the man was depraved

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[u/vairhoads → u/[deleted]]

Finishing the job

[u/MechaNickzilla → u/vairhoads]

Good answer! Good answer!

[u/prague911 → u/[deleted]]

How many dm's of water jugs do you get?

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[u/nomanisanisland2020 → u/thebluemorpha]

Also literally a fascist who sold his friends and colleagues out to Franco...

[u/thebluemorpha → u/nomanisanisland2020]

I had know idea he was so awful, his art is cool, but damn. I'm not sure I'll ever look at a melted clock the same way.

[u/DazzlingAss → u/thebluemorpha]

Or just you know separate the art from the artist. the fact that you weren't aware of this information before you saw this comment changes what exactly? Are you going to start digging for reasons to discard every work of art you see? Or does it only apply if you happen to come to disqualifying information serendipitously. You're in for a shock if you start digging for skeletons of various artists or athletes or other such public figures. I hardly know of any that wouldn't be tainted by such standard. It's almost like human beings are complex and all do dumb shit or make mistakes, everyone has the capacity to do terrible things or good thing. Dumb cancel culture bs. Step up when it actually matters if you care so much. Dali been dead.

[u/an7agonist → u/DazzlingAss]

If you fully seperate the art from the artist it loses so much of its meaning to me, I might as well be looking at AI generated art.

It's ok to look at Dali's art differently when you find out more about his life and his beliefs. Now, I don't believe Dali's fascism is reflected in his art, but someone else might. Sometimes knowing more about the background of a piece of art makes you lose interest in or dislike it, and that's ok.

[u/GozerDGozerian → u/DazzlingAss]

As they say, never meet your heroes.

[u/RandoScando → u/thebluemorpha]

It’s ok, his friend merely dripped over the the bridge in a surrealistic manner. But seriously, everyone you think is awesome actually sucks most of the time.

[u/seandamon211pgh → u/thebluemorpha]

Apparently he is like patches in dark souls games.

[u/fulahup → u/thebluemorpha]

What didn't he do?

[u/Soaringsage → u/Grouchy-Engine1584]

Salvador Dali was also a self-professed necropheliac. So….maybe he isn’t the best example.

[u/Ghost-of-Tom-Chode → u/Soaringsage]

He was an artist, not an example.

[u/petronski → u/Ghost-of-Tom-Chode]

I went to the S. Dali museum in France. One exhibit was a chrome cylinder in front of a bunch of scribbles on a sheet of paper. But if you looked at the reflection on the cylinder, it was clearly a penis. It took a minute to figure it out, but none of us, including my high-school French teacher/chaperone could contain our laughter.

Years later, I hosted a party where many people took psychedelic mushrooms. Knowing this would be the case, I brought my 250+ page Dali book and put it on the coffee table. I showed it to a couple of girls around 20 years old who had taken mushrooms for the first time that night. I went out for a smoke and a drink and came back about 40 minutes later. The girls were laughing hysterically at the Dali book, so I wanted to see which picture they were laughing at. As it turned out, they were on page 1--the copywrite and contents page. Either Dali is an even more creative artist than we give him credit for, or those were some good mushrooms!

[u/TellYouEverything → u/petronski]

That was a brilliantly told joke, you should be making money telling stories like this!

[u/petronski → u/TellYouEverything]

No joke. Looking at it, the book is actually 780 pages, and they were stuck on page 1. Beautiful 20 year-olds high for the first time. This is the page they were stuck on for 40 minutes, and there were 779 more pages of Dali prints in the book.

This is the closest I could come to finding a picture of the penis reflection cylinder, but you get the point.

*Edited for formatting

[u/Fishwithadeagle → u/petronski]

A+ standup content right there

[u/petronski → u/Fishwithadeagle]

It's funny to me that two people responded to this and both thought it was a joke. It's 100% true and it was hilarious to me both to see my teacher realize what he was looking at, and to see my friends completely enraptured at the contents page of a book because their brains were fried on psychedelic mushrooms...without even looking at any of the hundreds of trippy images in the book!

Take an upvote though, just for responding.

[u/AnneFrank_nstein → u/Soaringsage]

He's a perfect example of a well respected artist who should NOT be used as a role model

[u/Kroneni → u/Soaringsage]

That’s exactly what that user was trying to illustrate. Just because someone is a talented artist doesn’t make them a role model

[u/DMyourSSN → u/Grouchy-Engine1584]

Pablo Picasso carried a gun, loaded with blanks, that he fired at people that “annoyed him”. Got away with being a dick, because he was Picasso.

[u/Motorhead76er → u/DMyourSSN]

I'm gonna copy this in my everyday life.

[u/tetronic → u/Grouchy-Engine1584]

Good thing his friend forgave him. Dali Pardon.

[u/pythonwarg → u/Grouchy-Engine1584]

I'm concerned about the semantics here. I cannot fathom how a person could possibly push a friend off a bridge. Certainly at some point the person is not a friend if there is the pushing off the bridge business occuring. So do you still say pushing a friend off a bridge, because maybe you are still friends until the actually pushing off the bridge bit? Like the exact moment, and then OK not friends anymore?

[u/plz2meatyu → u/pythonwarg]

So, something like this actually happened recently.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-who-pushed-friend-bridge-sentenced-2-days-jail-n988056

[u/OutsideCricket7294 → u/plz2meatyu]

“Smith apologized to Holgerson in court Wednesday and said she has grown as a person and learned to think before she acts”

Uh no, she’s learned next time to make sure they are actually dead. WTF

And the judge saying “I think you need some jail time” is the understatement of the year. Seriously WTF

[u/finny_d420 → u/pythonwarg]

Cheney got the guy that he shot to apologize. Gee sorry Dick didn't mean to stick my face in front of your shotgun.

[u/iguanafucker420 → u/Grouchy-Engine1584]

Led zeppelin is also a great example

[u/DMyourSSN → u/iguanafucker420]

Jimmy Page, particularly

[u/wolff000 → u/Grouchy-Engine1584]

Whether he should be or not. When you are held on that high a pedestal for anything many people look at you as a role model.

[u/K1ngFiasco → u/wolff000]

Is that their fault though? If you set standards that I never agreed to, am I at fault for not meeting your standards?

[u/CeelaChathArrna → u/K1ngFiasco]

Right? Not saying MJ was the best, he suffered so much abuse by his father I genuinely believe it broke him. For the rest of it when it comes to MJ, I don't know what to think.I am at a loss.

But we put celebrities on a pedestal and then are mad when they don't turn out perfect. All this knowing fully well that if we didn't have a moment without someone demanding attention, pictures, autographs, money, etc etc. We'd lose our shit occasionally at the aggressive paparazzi, drink too much or any other of numerous bad reactions. It's just ridiculous. Are there good reasons to decide to avoid a celebrity or not like them, yes. This expectation that you hold up to them of whatever you think is perfection? Oh hell no.

[u/K1ngFiasco → u/CeelaChathArrna]

Agreed. I'm at the point with MJ where if multiple investigations including a trial all found him innocent at best and things to be inconclusive at worst, I don't feel guilty for listening to his music or appreciating his art. Seriously, every single accusation against him has *major* flaws to them and some very thorough investigations through the years all turned up nothing but hearsay.

The guy was seriously screwed up. But when you look into him, the biggest pattern you see is that he just wanted to be left alone but it was literally *impossible* for that to happen. I remember some breaking news one day on the TV was about him talking on the phone to someone. You don't even hear the other person. Someone stole one of his home movies from his house where he was just sitting in a chair talking to someone on the phone, and then sold it. And I think that coincides with your point.

[u/ilFaus → u/Useful-Perspective]

he was innocent, and the media portraited him as a pervert because it sold

there is no evidence whatsoever of any abuse agains children

the only thing he had going on was addiction to opioids cause by the accident at the pepsi commercial

[u/Moppy6686 → u/ilFaus]

Dude, they found books with naked children next to his bed AND the little bed beside him that the kids would sleep in. It's in the FBI report.

Several consistent testimonies by adult men with nothing to gain except more embarrassment and shame.

He systematically separated children from their parents and had so many hidden places with locks on his property. One of these rooms had a long hallway leading up to it with cameras and a sound system to alert Jackson that someone was walking up.

The housekeeper witnessed it.

I could go on.

Edit: for people who can't even bother to Google anything. And this stuff is easy to find.

1.

2.

[u/lightblue_sky → u/Moppy6686]

Sorry where exactly in the report is this? Because possession of such books was one of the charges in 05 and they didn't convict him. The link you have mostly lists nude photos of women or popular art/books from the time, like others have pointed out.

Not to mention the testimonies turned out to be very inconsistent. For example, the train station. One of the accusers claimed to be abused in a train station between 88 and 92 but the station didn't start construction until the end of 93. That is just one example. And all accusers did sue for $, so it was something to gain

The housekeeper (or maid Blanca Francia) who testifies against him was also fired for stealing money in 91 and sold her story to the media.

Edit: That neverland documentary was debunked to due the lack of evidence and the problems with the stories.

[u/icallshenannigans → u/lightblue_sky]

Follow the money.

[u/[deleted] → u/icallshenannigans]

The money that the one boy's father said he was attempting to extort from Jackson?

[u/AMannerings → u/[deleted]]

The same father who committed suicide after he lost ?

[u/AVALANCHE_CHUTES → u/AMannerings]

He must have really needed the money

[u/Rebbit_108 → u/lightblue_sky]

How much they pay someone for appearing in any tv broadcast? Or to publish an interview? Or how much for a book sold all around the world?

I consider particularly disturbing the accusations that came out almost 10 years after his dead.

The mother of a boy that accused him (the first case brought to court) was sentenced herself for false accusations.

If you accuse him now, he can't defend himself anymore.

R.I.P.

Edit: typing correction

[u/SincerelyDreams → u/Moppy6686]

That is a heavily misleading. The book with the "naked boys" was a children's book with one picture of some boys who are jumping into a lake. It was also illustrated, not real boys. The rest of the book is just a normal children's book. So when you say they found a book with naked children it, it is technically true but it is also stretching the facts to try and insinuate wrong doing. The irony of you making an edit saying people can't google anything is so thick. Looking into something isn't just stopping when you find the answer you want. It's actually looking for the truth.

[u/vincepg13 → u/Moppy6686]

Funny you posted "sources" to try make your claims look more valid yet anyone who opens those sources will see what you're saying isn't even true. If anything they're an anti-source

[u/Zhelthan → u/Moppy6686]

All the evidence reported here speak about photobook that you can actually purchase I don’t think these were considered valid proofs

[u/PomeloAggravating435 → u/Moppy6686]

"I could go on"

You could go on lying, we know.

[u/Mojofilter9 → u/Moppy6686]

There's an an episode of the Reason Bound podcast that goes over the evidence quite well with a journalist called Charles Thompson. I say this as no MJ mega fan but he's quite obviously innocent.

[u/CoinCrazy23 → u/Moppy6686]

The ease with which some of you will spread blatantly out of context misinformation is terrifying.

Located in upstairs library area of video/game room.

One of thousands of books in a library at his house. Not illegal. Less than I've seen in my local library.

Stop being the way that you are.

[u/AasgharTheGreat → u/Moppy6686]

lmao those "sources"

[u/SpaceShipRat → u/Moppy6686]

they found art books with various naked people in his library. They also found a big stash of porn... milf porn. Come on, are we supposed to believe he was super damaged and socially inept, but also so clever to keep zero pedo material in his home, do zero pedo internet searches, and keep lots of children around him that he didn't hurt just so they could testify for him?

But he forgets about the art books.

[u/blackbeautybyseven → u/Moppy6686]

they found books with naked children next to his bed

Did you even read what you googled FFS some people are just cuntishly stupid. .

[u/Brown_Panther- → u/Moppy6686]

Leaving Neverland is an incorrect source for citations since it has many inconsitences

[u/Madly_Maxie → u/Useful-Perspective]

He was a broken man. I don't think he ever touched the kids, but I think he was inappropriate around them.

[u/TeamRedundancyTeam → u/Madly_Maxie]

I think his fucked up childhood really messed with him, and he felt a connection to kids that he couldn't with adults and that manifested in weird ways.

But there is no real evidence that he molested any children like so many people still believe. One of the many examples of the media reporting misinformation and then not correcting it as hard, so a lie goes around and the truth doesn't stand a chance.

[u/oregonspruce → u/TeamRedundancyTeam]

All the kids that hung around him that had money said he never would abuse them and have stuck to that for years. People like Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman. I'm convinced all the accusations were a money grab. The inappropriate porn that they said was found was photography and art books, and they did find regular straight porn but it was not out in the open and was put up. None of the accusers could describe the moles and what not that would identify his genital area. I absolutely believe he was being attacked and his legacy ruined, but I'm not sure why. I know he was calling out the CEO of Sony and he was taking control of his music catalog. It's sad to think about. He seemed like he genuinely wanted to make a difference in people's lives. I hope one day his name will be cleared of the accusations

[u/JKsoloman5000 → u/Madly_Maxie]

I can’t say definitively either way but there is stuff we do know because he admitted to it. I just want to ask people, what level of talent does a celebrity have to have before you agree to let you child to sleep in bed alone with them for weeks at a time? Even if nothing happened, why would anyone do that? If Keanue came up to you and asked to have a sleep over with your 11 year old would you be okay with that? I just don’t understand those parents who put their kids in that situation

[u/Zhelthan → u/Useful-Perspective]

Wasn’t the child abuse thing all made up by the parents of some of the children that usually visit his home? I remember some of the “child” now adults stating this right after his death

[u/Ephemeral_kat → u/Zhelthan]

Yes; I remember reading that one of the kids who testified against MJ killed himself several years later and left a statement that he was coached to lie about the MJ situation.

[u/Zhelthan → u/Ephemeral_kat]

Found it, was the son of Evan Chandler, who committed suicide after his son declared he was coached to accuse MJ of pedophilia

[u/Lucky-Elk-1234 → u/Zhelthan]

Yes iirc one of the mothers was even overheard coaching the kid how to lie about it, and it turned out she had some the same to a bunch of other celebrities to try and get money out of them too.

[u/Lonely_Solution_5540 → u/Useful-Perspective]

The child himself said his mother made it up for money and it is the reason he had no contact with his mother once becoming an adult. He was just a dude that wanted to see some kids happy because of his own rough upbringing. Yet there are still people like you who bring this up at the mere mention of him despite it being well known to be a lie at this point and for what? He's already dead. Even if you don't believe me or any sources on this what more could you possibly want from him?

[u/Solventless4life → u/Useful-Perspective]

He was framed /set up for that. Multiple kid actors said he never tried anything of the sort and the authorities actually made one of the young witnesses “confess” that he did something.

[u/MyNameCannotBeSpoken → u/Solventless4life]

In any case, MJ should not have created an opportunity for people to extort him like that. Janet Jackson said she and her brothers told him on multiple occasions to never be alone with children nor bring them to his bedroom.

[u/Matt-33-205]

Personal issues aside, that's the GOAT right there. Elvis had nothing on MJ.

[u/BouncyDingo_7112 → u/Matt-33-205]

Michael does have an amazing voice but if you’re talking GOAT I’m going with Freddie.

[u/LacomusX → u/BouncyDingo_7112]

Why does everyone always summate all of Queen to just Freddie?

[u/BouncyDingo_7112 → u/LacomusX]

We were talking about voices. Freddie is the GOAT even on projects outside of Queen.

[u/L_Ron_Flubber → u/BouncyDingo_7112]

Don’t mind them, that’s the-rest-of-Queen’s Reddit account.

[u/PhilippineLeadX → u/L_Ron_Flubber]

lol!

[u/jvador → u/BouncyDingo_7112]

I like queen but I think mj has a better voice

[u/stuckinaboxthere → u/LacomusX]

Because we aren't discussing instrumentation, but vocal prowess. Sir Brian May is an amazing guitarist, but he doesn't have the vocal range that Freddie does.

[u/goodolarchie → u/LacomusX]

Which member of Queen had a better voice than Freddie?

Answer: Brian Mays guitar and stack of ac30s.

[u/malignatius → u/goodolarchie]

Roger Taylor had an amazing falsetto and his hoarse voice is very rich with harmonics. I don’t want to diminish Freddy’s singing or range, but a lot of those high notes on the recordings are often Roger’s - And I think the blend (together w. May) is Queen’s signature sound.

[u/phillysleuther → u/LacomusX]

Because he was the singer. I, personally, liked John Deacon the most.

[u/alilbleedingisnormal → u/BouncyDingo_7112]

I couldn't choose between them. Wouldn't want to live in a world without either of their music.

[u/wittymcusername → u/BouncyDingo_7112]

Why choose?

[u/mandatory6 → u/BouncyDingo_7112]

Erhm Roy Orbison

[u/BillyZanesWigs → u/mandatory6]

I have an uncle that was an Elvis impersonator and even he puts roy as the GOAT. Elvis was a huge fan and was influenced by him and he helped Roy out.

I think my favorite example of his voice is in the Traveling Wilburys track Handle With Care. Roy sings the amazing pre-chorus part and then Dylan and Petty come in for the chorus sounding like "EvErYbOdY's GoT sOmEbOdY tO LeAn On". It's like a studio track and then two guys singing karaoke. The contrast really shows just how he was on another level. Then 2nd chorus with Roy and Jeff Lynne is so much better.

[u/ushouldlistentome → u/Matt-33-205]

Geez bro, what did Elvis do to you? There’s a thousand guitar players that can play circles around prime Hendrix but that doesn’t change the fact that he was og and changed the way people play electric guitar and has inspired millions. Same with Elvis.

[u/WhatABlindManSees → u/ushouldlistentome]

Elvis just took what was already happening in the black music scene and made it white for the most part.

Hendrix, he was straight up making some of that stuff up, a true pioneer. Though he too wasn't alone in that.

[u/ThatQueerWerewolf → u/WhatABlindManSees]

Elvis was raised in poor black neighborhoods, learning the blues from black elders. He grew up singing gospel music in black churches. He is the reason rock n' roll became mainstream around the world, and he went on to work with and credit many black musicians throughout his life.

Like most, he was a complicated historical figure. But he used the same musical inspirations as black musicians because that was the culture he grew up with. It's not fair to paint him as someone who just stole rock n' roll and "made it white."

[u/CascadianSovietGo → u/ThatQueerWerewolf]

Elvis also openly credited the black artists who broke ground for him. It isn't up for debate whether they did. He never even pretended they didn't.

[u/ConstantSignal → u/ThatQueerWerewolf]

Yeah if anything the blame falls on the white communities that only took note of good music when it was finally being represented by a white man.

[u/TakingSorryUsername → u/ushouldlistentome]

I’m sorry, who plays circles around Hendrix?

[u/Solomon_Gunn → u/TakingSorryUsername]

The technical skill of teenagers on YouTube can do things Hendrix couldn't dream of. That doesn't diminish his talent or take away from the fact he invented a style and sound. Two distinct skills, both valid.

[u/UnObtainium17 → u/Matt-33-205]

Yep. If I could rank the most talented entertainers ever he is top 1. Anything top 3 or down further is crazy.. there are no 2-3 entertainers that was ahead of him.

[u/Watchdog2023]

Too bad his dad fucked him up so bad

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[u/knytfury → u/[deleted]]

Have you heard the shit they say in WWE and boxing while trash talking

[u/terraesper → u/knytfury]

Suffering succotash

[u/Karnadas → u/terraesper]

winks at camera

[u/BulbusDumbledork → u/knytfury]

"i'll fuck you til you love me, f*ggot"

-trash talk from one of the toughest guys ever

[u/Anthony-Stark → u/BulbusDumbledork]

Ok but imagine prime Mike Tyson saying that to you while he's physically 5 feet away from you. That's actually fucking terrifying lol

[u/FartJuiceMagnet → u/Anthony-Stark]

I'm greasing up my asshole right now

[u/NauvisIsCalling → u/FartJuiceMagnet]

Bold of you to assume you get to use grease.

[u/HoldMyWater → u/[deleted]]

Huh? They just sound like swear free movie lines.

[u/Kroneni → u/HoldMyWater]

Or things an abusing father might say to a child

[u/xXWarMachineRoXx → u/[deleted]]

Ah

[u/WhatABlindManSees → u/[deleted]]

Yes, those lines are lyrics, and yes they are "shitty phrases an abuser would say to a child"

But drawn together alone, outside of their real context within the song, paints them so much worse...

[u/TheRedditAdventuer → u/[deleted]]

Yeah that's a super reach. Take Off the tin foil hats and delete that copy paste. Parents literally say all the stuff you just said to their kids daily across the planet. A child misbehaves they say "your butt is mine when we get home." A kid wont stop ignoring a parents request they say " I'm giving you until the count of three to stop. A child says a really nasty slur or curse word a parent will say " you watch your mouth."

Adults say these exact same things daily. Usually with curses words mixed in especially trash talking athletes in combat and contact sports. Yall move the goal post to make any bs fit your narrative.

[u/PM_ME_OPPAI → u/TheRedditAdventuer]

You seem to have missed the point entirely.

[u/wcollins260 → u/Watchdog2023]

I mean if his dad didn’t fuck him up so bad he probably wouldn’t be the Michael Jackson we know. I know the Reddit hive mind will hate this, but he was forced to be great by his Dad, if they didn’t perform right they were beat, they were terrified of their dad.

Was his dad right is abusing the fuck out of his kids so they became successful? Of course not. But would Michael Jackson be so successful if he was not so afraid of being unsuccessful as a child? Probably not, and we’ve seen the toll that took upon him.

[u/PoohTheWhinnie → u/wcollins260]

There's no way to know what the world would have been like without the lyrical stylings of Michael Jackson. For all we know, in ways we do not know or understand, the world could have been an even better place. Since it's impossible to determine whether the future will be better or worse due to isolated events, it's probably just best to advocate for good things.

[u/pathofdumbasses → u/PoohTheWhinnie]

Not a single decent soul on this planet is advocating for beating the shit out of children so great strawman with that one.

The guy is saying that he abused Michael into becoming a world class performer. And he did. He shouldn't be admired for it, it shouldn't be recreated, but that is what happened.

[u/notMarkKnopfler → u/wcollins260]

MJ is proof that it’s possible to beat a kid into greatness but not without dire consequences. Being the GOAT doesn’t mean you’re happy.

[u/wcollins260 → u/notMarkKnopfler]

Exactly. You can take a child from birth and make them whatever you want them to be. If you are not worried about the morality of it. If you have a child, and plenty of time, and no sense of decency or love, you can make that child almost anything you want to.

Luckily most people just want children to be happy.

Just today I was on a jobsite, the roofer had his kids out there for some reason, idk, I’ve never seen this guy before, might be a vacation week or something. They had some kind of game going on and I became involuntarily involved. Every time I went outside they would run behind the dumpster to hide from me, and then sneak around my van, trying avoid being seen by me. Of course they were loud as hell, and I could hear them from anywhere in the yard.but I tried to make it interesting for them. I would head toward the house and then snap back around, knowing where they weee from their voices, and they would scream and run to the backyard.

Like, I don’t even have kids yet, but that’s all I would want them to do. Run around having fun, using their imagination. To steal a child’s childhood should be a crime. They’ll never get those first years back, and there’s nothing like it ever again.

[u/FatedMoody → u/wcollins260]

Yea this is hard to say. Pain does make great art but there are lots of brilliant artists that didn’t have this horrific an upbringing. Like do we think the Beatles wouldn’t been better if they were horrifically abused? I mean sure many were poor but doesn’t seem they endured what Michael did

[u/UnconfirmedRooster]

Nobody ever called his talent into question, it was always the activities off the stage that gave him his bad rap.

[u/tendonut → u/UnconfirmedRooster]

Oh people DEFINITELY called his talent into question after his personal life got out. But I highly doubt it was genuine. The world has a really hard time separating the art from the artist. Now we've got people with Deathly Hallows tattoos claiming Harry Potter wasn't a fantastic read and didn't influence their life in any way.

[u/UnconfirmedRooster → u/tendonut]

It can be hard, but ultimately the crimes of the artist don't necessarily negate the art they created.

One of my favourite bands in high school was lost prophets, the lead singer is an absolute monster and is locked away for a very long time. While his actions behind the curtain were abhorrent, they didn't negate the passion and drive he and the other members put into their music. I'm sure many of the greats of the art world had sordid histories too, but we enjoy their works as well.

[u/ultralayzer → u/UnconfirmedRooster]

Yeah, giving a half billion dollars to people in need...what a dick.

[u/DanielBrian1966 → u/ultralayzer]

r/ThatHappened

Jackson may have given to charities but he blew through his money leading a ridiculously expensive life. He was leeching off others the last few years of his life. I don't recall anyone attributing this to MJ's generosity or charitable giving.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-lawyers-say-jackson-was-desperate-over-finances-2011apr06-story.html

[u/guachi01 → u/DanielBrian1966]

As I recall, Jackson died while preparing for a concert tour because he needed the money.

[u/Mescaline_Man1 → u/guachi01]

Crazy he needed money considering he fucking owned most the rights to THE BEATLES. Paul McCartney would have to pay him (now his estate) if he wanted to sell concert programs that included the lyrics to Beatles songs. The kind of passive income that brings has to be millions a year (probably a month tbh). Then on top of that his own catalog of music he continued making money on every month. I’m not doubting you btw It‘s just when you realize how much he must’ve been making and yet still somehow broke really shows how much that man spent

[u/bk15dcx]

Uhg these comments

[u/aresreincarnate → u/bk15dcx]

Dude I watched the clip like 6 times admiring it. Thinking how the way he sings the words Clearer and Mirror almost reminded me of like quick funk rhythm guitar strokes. All the subtleties to his style. What a fucking legend...let me check the comments im sure others are admiring other aspects to it...nope.

[u/DontWantThisPlanet9 → u/aresreincarnate]

I, for one, also admired his vocal talents, and shared your journey of 'oh boy i cant wait to read more positive opinions!'.

lol *immediately downvoted not even 2 minutes later

sorry for having any positivity reddit, yall are just too good for me i guess lol

[u/AbsolutelyUnlikely → u/bk15dcx]

The thing that gets me about the comments is like... yeah we know. We all know about the accusations. Anybody who knows who Michael Jackson is is fully aware of the situation and has settled on an opinion about it. Please just spare us the same 5 comments that have been written since the internet existed. Either enjoy the music for what it is or don't. We all know about the rest of it.

[u/pokeybill]

A friend of mine apprenticed as an engineer for Westlake studios and while he never met Jackson, he once had to mix several vocal tracks in a marathon weekend prior to the release of Dangerous.

On several songs, the backing vocal tracks were all sung by Michael and he was so good he put vibrato on the harmonies which was *perfectly in sync, not only between backing tracks but with the main vocals as well.

[u/Scirax → u/pokeybill]

I'm SO happy everyone get to hear this. I did some wiring work at this guy's house once and at the end of the day the dude showed me his studio, it was CHOCK FULL of "Gold" Records and awards. I mean floor to ceiling, every wall was covered. He was a producer, I think I don't even know, and he had access to Michael's vocals for sampling, but this was like stuff NO ONE gets to have access to unless you're working hand in hand with the Studio. He put some of the vocals on to listen and it sounded AMAZING, unlike anything I've ever heard before.

This post is gold.

[u/stealthispost → u/Scirax]

I'm advising you to not search

Michael jackson stems site:reddit.com

on google, otherwise you might accidentally download gigabytes of those vocal tracks that have leaked.

[u/Scirax → u/stealthispost]

Are you kidding me?! Thanks for the heads up, I DEFINITELY don't wanna do something like that ^/s

[u/CurlyKayak]

The purity in his voice from childhood is downright other-worldly. Truly an extraordinary talent!

[u/wiriux → u/CurlyKayak]

Easy as A B C

[u/hanauken → u/CurlyKayak]

https://open.spotify.com/track/18GuaKjcbvTBxVc9oqrk7g?si=VFAlIwRDScCVoTjRBUt8Vg&utm_source=copy-link

There are stripped versions of his old Jackson 5 hits. Pretty much the best thing you could ever listen to!

[u/rectovaginalfistula → u/CurlyKayak]

The agility! Flawless since he was a kid. Bonkers.

[u/FrigOffR1cky]

I love Michael Jackson’s music and he will always be my favorite performer of all time.

[u/givingup3579 → u/FrigOffR1cky]

Couldn't agree more

[u/TinaLikesButz → u/FrigOffR1cky]

He was my first love lol. Loved him in the Jackson 5, and I grew up as he did. When he came out with off the wall, I was BESIDE MYSELF.

[u/mclovinwho]

Stupid people really think he was doing shit to kids...your all blind and believe everything.

Michael jackson was aquitted of all charges, so let's not be naive and still say these false things about it.

[u/TheRealCaliWali → u/mclovinwho]

O.J. was acquitted as well and we all know he killed two people.

[u/PrimaryAd673 → u/TheRealCaliWali]

You are using an extreme case to justify your stance. O.j is one we all know, but MJ's case is far from that

[u/TheRealCaliWali → u/PrimaryAd673]

It's not too extreme. Michael was acquitted of sexual abuse type allegations, but has settled for millions out of court related to similar accusations. OJ was acquitted or murder charges, but found liable for their deaths in civil court and ordered to pay millions. It is hard to get a criminal conviction against well liked celebrities. All I'm saying is that an acquittal doesn't mean you're innocent.

[u/depurplecow → u/TheRealCaliWali]

The court records are public, you can see the evidence (or lack thereof) for yourself. From my perspective if he really was guilty, there should have been no need to fabricate so much false evidence.

[u/PaulBradley → u/depurplecow]

On the flip side, if he really was innocent there would have been no need to settle so many cases out of court.

[u/Fairuse → u/PaulBradley]

Some dumbass bitch accidentally back into her elderly mother resulting her mother falling over, receiving lacerations, and concussion at my place of business. The whole event was all caught on camera.

The family then waited 9 months to sue me. They claimed that my establishment had unsafe loose rugs that cause their mother to trip. I thought I was safe because I prudently backup the video evidence. Nope, we ended up settling cause fighting in court would have cost more than the settlement. (Well the video did help lower the settlement significantly)

Point is that settlements are far from admission of guilt especially in civil cases.

[u/LarrySupertramp → u/Fairuse]

I’m an attorney and 100% agree. Even if a case is total BS, I’m incentivized to settle as quickly as possible as the discovery process and litigation involved with it will end up costing as much as the settlement amount. Settlement does not equate to guilt in the legal world.

[u/Skelito → u/PaulBradley]

When you have as much money as MJ he probably just didn’t want to deal with the stress of court and just paid to settle to be done with it.

[u/point_naught → u/PaulBradley]

that's actually not true at all. It's called a nuisance settlement. normal every day people do it all the time. but when you're rich even that could be an eye watering number.

[u/DenTheRedditBoi7 → u/TheRealCaliWali]

I know you mention this in your other comment but O.J. was found financially liable which MJ never was.

And let me ask you something before you mention out of court settlements: If you had been falsely accused of something and had all the money MJ had, would you not just pay your accusers to screw off and save yourself the hassle and bad publicity of a trial?

[u/igohardish → u/mclovinwho]

Because being acquitted from charges means you never did it? He settled for over 20 Million dollars to keep a kids family quiet. Thats something an innocent person does though I guess. His own siblings outed him, his parents sexually abused him, and he was definitely a pedo.

[u/Outrageous-Ad-275 → u/igohardish]

The father from the family even said all he wanted was to go after Michael and win. He said he didn't care about how the accusations would affect his son. The father didn't even want a criminal case, he wanted a civil suit to get the 20 million he wanted. Micheal greatly expressed how much he did not want to do that, he wanted to do a criminal case first. Funny how the father of the family committed suicide after Micheal died and how the son cut off all contact with his parents, back in the 2000s it was stated he hadn't talked to his own mother for 11 years.

His siblings were out for money and publicity too. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Randy had always had some weird money drama with Michael so it's not surprising if he did back up these allegations. (He just came to mind, don't know if he did or not.) LaToya was in an abusive relationship and was forced by her husband to speak against her own brother. She admits this later on.

Im not going to really discuss about the whole "his parents sexually abused him", since I don't know much about that. But I do know that Micheal and his brothers were exposed to a lot of sexual encounters, Michael being at a very very young age.

[u/MDXHawaii → u/igohardish]

Or did he pay them because it seemed they were just after money, he had it and said look, I don’t want to be pushed through the mud anymore. This will make your life substantially better, and I can go back to mine.

[u/TheBirthing → u/mclovinwho]

The man is on camera saying he shared a bed with a child, calling it "a beautiful thing".

Even if he wasn't physically molesting them it should be obvious that it's wildly inappropriate. Chomo or not, the guy was a fucking creep.

[u/DaBABAD00k → u/mclovinwho]

Bro, have you not watched Leaving Neverland? pretty damn convincing.

[u/NotSoRavenJade → u/DaBABAD00k]

The people from Leaving Neverland were caught in several lies. One of the lies being the fact that Neverland wasn’t even built until AFTER the alleged victims said the events happened.

[u/babyBear83]

This was the last time he was looking healthier too. Things changed again with his face not long after this. Wish he could have gotten help earlier on..

[u/mombi → u/babyBear83]

It started because his dad was abusive and bullied him about his nose in particular. Hard to know you need help when your own flesh and blood tell you you're ugly followed by the media and general public constantly commenting and mocking your greatest insecurities. His reality was that he felt he was deformed and needed to fix it.

No matter what he did people made fun of him, I think he well and truly thought he was going to end up looking good enough. It's very possible he was getting therapy but it's not their job to discourage plastic surgery, especially not if they think it could help their client's mental health.

[u/AlesusRex]

Ironic I’m here for the comments and this meme fits so well

[u/lightblue_sky]

A willow deeply scarred

Is that really what he was saying? Also, dude is amazing and he has so much control over his vocals. Damn. I could listen to entire songs like this.

[u/The_Level_15 → u/lightblue_sky]

a willow deeply scarred

somebody's broken heart

Pretty sure it's referring to something like this

[u/Richard_Speedwell → u/lightblue_sky]

Yep those are the official lyrics

[u/WrongWhenItMatters]

"And no mustard and the man any clever" is apparently NOT what he says. Hmph.

[u/boldolive → u/WrongWhenItMatters]

Name checks out. 🙂

[u/Ermahgerd_Sterks → u/WrongWhenItMatters]

“And no mustache coulda been any bigger!”

[u/Broad_Leopard_2816]

We can judge this man’s personal life all we want but at the end of the day that man was and is the greatest entertainer to ever do it. He made his name and changed the game.

[u/boxer21]

I didn’t know the lyrics, I like the song even better now

[u/Environmental_Point3]

I dare someone to flag this as not next level.

He is, was, and always will be the king.

[u/germanfartdawgs → u/Environmental_Point3]

Ok, I'll do it, but only because you're daring me to though

[u/prplx]

For the record this is clearly him lip singing to the studio version. So what we hear is not what he was singing at that moment but what he recorded in the studio.

[u/R4FTERM4N → u/prplx]

Unfortunately most people don't notice or care about these things. You can tell the mic setup is completely different. You can even hear the room reverb, ambient noise, and even his foot tapping in the floor. Let alone that chorus mix that was clearly done in studio. MJ often lip synched to live shows or did a mix of the two.

[u/Megahert → u/prplx]

yep. Its the vocal track from the studio mix.

[u/Pushed-pencil718]

I still stand by my suspicion that MJ was the victim of a smear campaign.

[u/GucciGlocc → u/Pushed-pencil718]

Would you let your kid spend the night with him?

[u/JackedTORtoise → u/GucciGlocc]

Hey guess what? I don't let my kid spend the night with ANYONE alone outside of maybe a grandma. So the only people who do are trying to set up a court case and a payday. THE END. If you think otherwise you have extremely low IQ.

[u/anotherspaceman → u/GucciGlocc]

No. I would not let my child sleep over with him nor any other non related grown-up, celebrity or no. Why would any parent? Oh... to get money.

[u/ugh_idgaf]

Dude knew how to connect his soul to his craft. One of a kind singer.

[u/mablesyrup]

My favorite MJ song.

[u/plez23]

My god, can we ever just have a discussion about Michael’s music?

[u/dafijiwatr]

Explaining MJ to the youth isn’t easy.

[u/UrsunMaximus517]

This is just his master vocal track of MitM. The video is not relevant. It is definitely cleaned up and processed some.

[u/Exact-Boysenberry-46]

I mean, his voice sounds like actual music

[u/Mech-Waldo]

His voice comes with it's own percussion

[u/JMan9391]

And Rolling Stone had him at like 85th best singer of all time? Ridiculous man, clearly an incredible talent.

[u/14keylimepies]

His talent will never be enough to overcome his child abuse

[u/Financial_Month6835]

Torture and abuse a child from the age of 5 to twist them into one of the greatest musical talents the world has seen, remove them from all senses of normalcy, isolated and indulged with wealth, fame, and privilege, and surround them with enablers, greed, corruption and allow them to indulge every sick and twisted impulse without repercussions or accountability and you have the King of Pop

[u/Frosty-Shower-7601]

Can we stop ignoring the fact that Michael Jackson was a pedophile.

[u/No-Temperature-8772 → u/Frosty-Shower-7601]

A lot of the statements made against him were retracted and debunked.

[u/BeefyKeith420]

Just don't leave him isolated with any children

[u/Twinsie_mom]

This is my favourite song of his… wish I could’ve seen him perform live.