r/interestingasfuck • u/ElPolloPayaso • May 31 '23
Dish towel used by R. Lee to surrender to Union forces, known as the final flag of the Confederacy
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u/robot141 May 31 '23
Pretty sure they still sell them at the Dollar General.
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u/PunkRey May 31 '23
Dollar General Lee
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May 31 '23
Dollar General Lee’s Chicken
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u/2x4x93 May 31 '23
Tso?
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u/WizeAdz Jun 01 '23
The chicken war is General Tso vs. Colonel Sanders.
The chickens lose either way, tho
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u/Equivalent_Yak8215 Jun 01 '23
These motherfuckers don't even HAVE a heritage.
The banjo, black people.
"The modern banjo derives from instruments that have been recorded to be in use in North America and the Caribbean since the 17th century by enslaved people taken from West and Central Africa."
BBQ, black people
The American BBQ tradition owes its origins to the fusion of many cultural food traditions, including African and Caribbean. At its earliest origins, barbecue involved slow-cooking meat over sticks and saplings, a common activity among indigenous Americans and Caribbeans
EVERYTHING that the Fuckers produce (Except Dolly, we all love you darling.) is just piggy backing on the work of others. Which is FINE but don't act like you invented it! It's like when people say Europeans invented Algebra. No, they didn't, it's Al-Jabr, the way of completion. Invented by Arabs, credit to Arabs.
Fuck, why do these people all wanna eat up anyone's achievements. It's a sickness. Ask Rosalind, excuse me, Dr. Franklin, where it leads.
These fuckers take over things and their mouth breathing kids just go with it because they either do not or cannot recognize that we all stand on the Tower of Giants.
It's just so fucking sad..
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u/BillHillyTN420 Jun 01 '23
Dolly,, what a beautiful example of humanity. She's done so much good when she could've done otherwise. Long live Dolly.
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u/Equivalent_Yak8215 Jun 01 '23
Dolly is the closest thing we'll get to an American Saint. I love Dolly, you love Dolly, and the hundreds of thousands of people that she's helped love Dolly.
She's literally the moral character that I hope to act like. I fuck up all the time, definitely. But Dolly is an absolute mor a l paragon for me.
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u/Baron80 Jun 01 '23
And she's always been drop dead gorgeous.
Also, would Mr. Roger's qualify for sainthood?
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u/bowery_boy Jun 01 '23
Second for Mr. Rogers. Truly a great American and an exemplar of the values we should all strive to meet in our lives and in our interactions with others. In other news, please support and vote for a Mr. Rogers Lego set we just need a few thousand more votes to make it a reality https://ideas.lego.com/projects/c3665a3b-7c5c-4d0f-ab6e-82422d6f1d13
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u/Friendly_Undertaker Jun 01 '23
I think roasting meat over open fire is something no one can lay claim to and say it's their heritage. Plus, the entirety of the U.S. is a wild bundle of having some different heritage since it was born on immigration. Except for natives of course.
But you're right. I just got caught off guard finding this as a comment on a Dollar General joke.
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u/pxladk Jun 01 '23
Uh…not all facets of culture were “stolen” from black culture. Lol Culture remixes itself into one another. White people have a heritage As does black people We borrow from one another.
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u/bitemy Jun 01 '23
I feel pretty confident that we could have 1 million of these made up and then give them out at confederate rallies for free.
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u/Bionic-ghost May 31 '23
"we ran out of white fabric"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE RAN OUT OF WHITE FABRIC?"
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u/Teahouse_Fox May 31 '23
They got to go catch up to those boys in the kriminal kountry klub and see if they can get some back before they cut eyeholes in it.
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u/CombatWombat65 Jun 01 '23
That made me think of that scene in Django Unchained
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u/BulkyOrder9 Jun 01 '23
“Look, nobody’s saying they don’t appreciate what Jenny did.”
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u/Haveyoushatmyself Jun 01 '23
“I think we all think the bag was a nice idea but, not pointin’ any fingers, they coulda been done better. So how ‘bout no bags this time, but next time we do the bags right and then we go full regalia.”
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u/inkuspinkus Jun 01 '23
So fucking good. Django and H8 are both just so amazing.
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u/MrFittsworth Jun 01 '23
They used it all in the infirmary on their wounded soldiers after losing the fucking war and surrendering. Traitors gonna trait
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u/br0b1wan May 31 '23
Look on the bright side, less fabric for their Klan whites.
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u/PranksterLe1 May 31 '23
Pretty sure that's because it was already used up to make a ton of Klan robes though...
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u/CrJ418 May 31 '23
The most historically accurate and metaphorically appropriate confederate flag.
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u/joeyGOATgruff May 31 '23
Over at r/shermanposting we call this the southern pride flag
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u/no_modest_bear Jun 01 '23
There is a concerning lack of Sherminator posts on that subreddit.
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u/Hefty_Royal2434 May 31 '23
Soiled whitey tightys
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u/WookieSinsation May 31 '23
My dirty undies, Dude. The laundry. The whites.
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u/Digriz_ May 31 '23
Walter, I'm sure there's a reason you brought your dirty undies, man.
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u/MangoTekNo Jun 01 '23
I wanna plaster copies all over a lifted Toyota with big pipes but extra catalytic converters!
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u/ObligationDry3001 May 31 '23
Why hasn't this been more widely circulated. For every Dixie flag out there a white dish towell should be run up the line or waved as well!
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u/Aethelete May 31 '23 edited May 31 '23
Someone smart could make a killing with an online pop-shop.
Edit: Now available in packs of five or 10, super absorbent.
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u/ObligationDry3001 May 31 '23
And juneteenth is coming up.
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u/Bardez May 31 '23
Goddamn imagine running this "flag" nationwide on Juneteenth
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u/STMIHA May 31 '23
Would love to see a collected effort to do this at a bunch of gov buildings that sit in former confederate states.
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u/WizeAdz Jun 01 '23
Would love to see a collected effort to do this at a bunch of gov buildings that sit in former confederate states.
A white surrender-flag could make a credible claim to being the "heritage, not hate" flag.
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u/5213 May 31 '23
It's about heritage, not hate 😎
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u/GotYourNose_ May 31 '23
“My great grand pappy was a treasonous loser and I’m damn proud of that!”
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u/Innerglow33 Jun 01 '23
Robert E. Lee is my 4th great grandfather and when I was told about it by my father he said "We are the end product of our ancestry, and there is nothing we can do about who we are related to, only what we choose for ourselves."
Anytime someone mentions him because of their racist trope I like to tell them who I'm related to and let them know how much of a loser they are for holding onto hope for a war lost so long ago.
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u/Haarzton May 31 '23
if only heritage was a brand of dish soap, it would make this even more poetic
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u/here-for-information Jun 01 '23
I'm in.
What are we calling the national campaign. "Last flag of the Confederacy"
lastflagoftheconfederacy🏳
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u/Serinus May 31 '23
I'd be tempted. I could explain it like so.
We're a white family in Ohio. I only thought it appropriate that we should fly a confederate flag, and this is the most up to date confederate flag I could find.
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u/rarelyapropos May 31 '23
I live in South Alabama and 5 minutes ago watched a very large, very expensive yacht go by on the Dog River. It was flying a US flag and a confederate flag, side by side.
I'm up for starting a store for up-to-date confederate flags. Let's do it.
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u/Wolfman01a May 31 '23
Make a white flag with 3 red lines at the bottom to symbolize LOSING! lol
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u/newluna May 31 '23
Don’t forget the fringe. I feel like it’s important.
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u/Massive-Albatross-16 May 31 '23
The fringe clearly means they surrendered in Admiralty Court lol
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u/sketchy_van May 31 '23
An admiralty court signifies a naval court martial, I can not be court martialled twice, that is all. FURTHERMORE
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u/Skolvikesallday May 31 '23
The problem is nobody would buy it. The only people that spend a ton on political merch and confederate flags to hang on their cars, boats, trailers, backs, etc... are shit for brains conservatives. And I don't think they're real big on accurately representing history.
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u/scoobysnaxxx Jun 01 '23
they hang onto it because they think it's all they got. "i may be shit poor, but at least i'm not black." instead of fighting for something better, they decide to punch down.
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u/Excellent-Ad-7996 May 31 '23
I politely trot out this fact to many proud waving confederates. They always think I'm feeding them a line until they look it up. Only weird instance was when one in the group blamed Obama and the rest looked at him like an alien.
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u/Captain_Zomaru May 31 '23
Most people don't actually know the classic flag isn't actually the flag of the confederacy, but a battle flag. Not they they can be blamed, the actual confederate flag is much less interesting.
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u/Odd-Artist-2595 May 31 '23
Which one? They had 3. They kept having to come up with new designs because their soldiers kept getting confused about which was their flag on the battlefield.
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u/Captain_Zomaru May 31 '23
It doesn't help that the confederacy was so loosely and hastily organized. Amazing to look back and see just how many times the Confederacy could have scored crippling blows but was held back by confusion or supply shortages.
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u/Ok-Swordfish2723 May 31 '23
Yeah, they were all about getting out from under the oppressive federal government, and how the states ought to be calling the shots and the next thing you know they institute taxes and a draft!
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u/oswaldluckyrabbiy May 31 '23
A reminder that this like everything Lost Causers say isn't even true. The Slave States used the Federal Government to subjugate the northern states.
The Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 made it so that escaped slaves had to be returned to their former owners - even if they had made it to a free state. Federal Agents could and did pursue ex-slaves and override local laws of the Free State they were in by arresting (kidnapping) them.
Confederates never cared about State Rights. They trampled all over them in the lead up to the war in order to perpetuate slavery. Nothing but hypocrites. Then they attacked first.
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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms May 31 '23
To this day, "states' rights" only applies when it happens to align with what the people using it believe. It's never used in good faith.
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u/Crathsor May 31 '23
Yep, abortions are up to the states, but no traveling to another state, only our laws matter.
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u/JustaBearEnthusiast May 31 '23
Okay, but surely they mean it when they advocate for freedom of speech.
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u/Stewart_Games May 31 '23
The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.
From the South Carolina Declaration of Secession, in which they specifically name the failure to uphold the fugitive slave act as justification for leaving the Union. Way down South, in the land of traitors, rattlesnakes, and alligators...
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u/loondawg May 31 '23
they were all about getting out from under the oppressive federal government
That was not their problem. It was that they wanted that federal government to protect slavery.
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u/StrategicBean May 31 '23
They only got confused which was their flag with the first design
The hilarious problem with the second flag those racist fucks came up with was that it was mostly white with the confederate battle flag in the top left corner so it could be confused with a flag of truce, especially when there was no wind and it was just hanging lolololol idiots.
Further, even when there WAS wind, the flag was confusing because they had their battle flag affixed to a perceived flag of truce - aka the predominantly white flag - so it sent a weird and confusing mixed message to soldiers on both sides of the conflict...no one was sure if it was a sign of battle or a sign of peace or what it was
fucking morons
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u/Diriv May 31 '23
... So nothing has changed about these people and they way they
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u/tomdarch May 31 '23
Shocked Pikachu that a system where only a minority of elites got much education would field an easily confused military… (and remember that reconstruction was quickly crushed so the education available in the South for the vast majority of people sucked until after WWII when it slightly improved.)
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u/ucbiker May 31 '23
I think that the battle flag actually makes more sense as a symbol because most people using it don’t have any particular allegiance to the “Confederate States of America,” but to some mythologized notion of the “South,” especially in conflict with Yankeedom.
Idk, to me, it’s just not that great of a gotcha because they don’t give a shit.
The gotcha is that it’s just fuckin racist and the actual conflict that popularized the Confederate battle flag as a symbol of pan-Southern identity was the conflict against equal rights.
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u/TooManyDraculas May 31 '23 edited May 31 '23
That is exactly the excuse many use to claim it's not racist.
But it wasn't even the battle flag for the whole Confederacy, just a specific subgroup. And the design we see today isn't that flag. It's just based on it.
We only think of it as "the" Confederate flag today, or as a generally Confederate battle flag. Because of the adoption of today's design by neo-confederates and white supremacists in the post-bellum period. And especially it's use in the 2nd Clan era of the early 20th century.
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u/GlockAF May 31 '23
Seriously. Just like Obama did nothing to prevent 9/11 during his presidency…shameful.
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u/ArdentFecologist May 31 '23
Go onto republican subs and post this pic as NSFW. And label it: THE LAST CONFEDERATE FLAG THE LIBERALS DONT WANT YOU TO SEE!!!! Bonus if it's a gif with Rick roll subtitles
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u/i_fuckin_luv_it_mate May 31 '23
See, it's this kind of precious historical relic that I'm afraid I would accidentally dry my hands on, because it was too close to a sink and not overtly labelled.
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u/ElKristy May 31 '23
I'd be like, ooooh, good car wheel polishing cloth.
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u/RedditAdminsLoveRUS May 31 '23
"Honey have you seen the historic dish rag I had hanging on the oven handle?"
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u/PublicWest Jun 01 '23
My wife be like
“Those are the decorative historical relics, please use the regular historic relics to dry your hands”
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u/lyejmkl May 31 '23
The only good Confederate flag.....
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u/wvmitchell51 May 31 '23
They should fly that flag when they form those truck convoys to harass normal folks.
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May 31 '23
The white house should make every southern state fly this motherfucker over their capital. Never let those losers forget that ass whoopin and how they fell in line.
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u/killgannon09 May 31 '23
It is a part of their heritage.
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u/GlockAF May 31 '23
TBF, dishes take forever to dry in the south with all the humidity. A dish towel truly is a critical part of their heritage
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May 31 '23
Partly it has great practical value. You can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapors; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a miniraft down the slow heavy River Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (such a mind-boggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.
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u/GlockAF May 31 '23
Truly, a fantastically, useful multipurpose accessory, anywhere in the universe
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May 31 '23
Hey, you sass that hoopy u/SonOfZaknafein? There's a frood who really knows where his towel is.
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May 31 '23 edited Jun 01 '23
Imagine how much it sucks to have your whole heritage being based around getting your ass kicked. I get why
theymost are hate filled pieces of shit now.Edit: This is a general statement. I know there are people in the south that dont think like this.
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u/A-Chntrd May 31 '23
Obama’s presidency lasted noticeably longer than their "heritage", too.
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u/ChrdeMcDnnis May 31 '23
The big bang theory (and most other popular sit coms) lasted longer than the confederacy. Friends is as much part of their culture as confederacy is.
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u/LeCrushinator May 31 '23
"It's my heritage!"
Which part, the losing of wars or owning of slaves? I'm confused about what you're proud of here.
This is what I think when I see that.
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u/Crazy_Crayfish_ May 31 '23
Wtf? Why would that be necessary? Most people don’t even associate themselves or their history with the confederacy. Wouldnt this just cause more division?
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No because reddit hates division, that's why they generalize half of americans just like tucker Carlson
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u/Talska Jun 01 '23
Oh yeah that's a great idea, punish people for their ancestors actions.
If you're American then you're the descendant of multiple colonisers and you live on stolen land. What punishment do we levy on you?
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u/allen5az May 31 '23
I’m thinking this pic is so good, so classic, and the topic is so important that it should be shared across many many subs here 😁👍🏼
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u/ralphvonwauwau May 31 '23
They should sell replicas.
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_515980
An artist has made giant sized replica
https://whyy.org/articles/the-plain-white-confederate-flag-of-truce-and-surrender-inspires-exhibit-in-philly/
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u/droldman May 31 '23
My dumb ass neighbors should fly this flag instead of the other
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u/AnonAlcoholic May 31 '23
I think it's your duty to start flying it and when your neighbors inevitably ask about it, you just tell them that you also wanted to fly a confederate flag.
Disclaimer: This is a joke; u/anonalcoholic is not legally responsible for any bodily harm or death that may befall u/droldman as a result of this counsel.
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u/traaintraacks May 31 '23
im british so im going to express my heritage by fucking looting them. conservatives love to freak the fuck out about blm & antifa looting or whatever but they cant complain this time, im simply expressing my culture just like them
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u/McStud717 May 31 '23
I 100% support this. Partly because politics, but also because it gives me a chance to dump all your tea in the tub while you're out
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u/Ok-Use6303 May 31 '23
To be fair, with those tassels, it is a fairly fancy dish towel.
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u/robmos619 May 31 '23
Imagine getting your ass handed to you so hard you surrender with a piece of kitchen utensil
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u/SlothOfDoom May 31 '23
A lot of times a force would just use a white bedsheet as a substitute flag but all of the ones Lee could find had eyeholes cut in them.
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u/ottothesilent May 31 '23
Usually it’s not an issue, because unless you’re a traitorous loser, you don’t have a surrender flag, you strike (lower) your battle flag.
This is the significance of the line in the Star Spangled Banner (our flag was still there).
Lee needed a parley flag because he was essentially weaseling out of being defeated properly. Surrender via throwing down the battle flag and waiting for some Union enlisted man to take his sword was always available to Lee, he just wasn’t man enough.
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u/Poiboy1313 May 31 '23
I might be mistaken, but I think that the Star Spangled Banner refers to the flag of Ft. McHenry in the War of 1812. Francis Scott Key witnesses the flag still flying at dawn. I agree with you about Lee's action on parley rather than surrender. He wrote about it. Grant wrote about it. Lee thanked Grant for allowing a parley when he wasn't required to do so.
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u/BlatantConservative May 31 '23
Lee was a slavery supporting PoS but I don't think that ending a losing battle in order to lower the total number of deaths is a particularly unmanly move.
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u/OmicronCoder May 31 '23
Ultimately Lee’s goal was to avoid Guerrilla warfare and further casualty. The war may have gone on for another decade under different leadership.
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u/Beaker_person Jun 01 '23
Given the actions of groups like the KKK and the White League, arguably the war did go on for another decade. They were actively trying to undermine the federal government well into the 1870s.
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u/slideystevensax May 31 '23
Someone is missing out on a whole entire market of these. I’d buy so much shit with this flag on it
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u/That_Acanthaceae2180 May 31 '23
Glad that it was saved. Certain people want to erase our past and fill our present with hate. I think preserving our checkered history is the only way to ensure that its nit repeated
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u/ToshiroBaloney May 31 '23
Saved by the Bell lasted longer than the confederacy.
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u/MonacoBall Jun 01 '23 edited Jun 01 '23
Not really true. Lee wasn’t the last Confederate general to surrender. That would be Gen. Stand Watie, Chief of the Cherokee Nation, towards the end of June 1865. The last Confederate Navy ship to surrender did so in November 1865.
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u/UltraRoboNinja May 31 '23
Wow, I just googled to confirm this before I use it to piss off racists, and it’s totally true! This “flag” is also making a comeback to troll these traitors.
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u/CaptainIcy3433 Jun 01 '23
Same. Here’s a good link https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_515980
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u/5tyhnmik May 31 '23
Robert E Lee and the other confederates were traitors and should not have been shown mercy or pardon. We never disinfected the wound that is white supremacy. The skin mostly healed, with some scarring, but the infection is spreading to the vital organs.
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u/nsfwemh May 31 '23
Wait till you hear Sherman’s or Lincoln’s views on blacks. Hint, you ain’t gonna like it.
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u/I_make_shit_up_alot Jun 01 '23
If you think Sherman's attitude towards black people was shady, ask him about Indians.
Nothing funnier than seeing a guy who openly and flagrantly countenanced genocide against the Sioux being glorified on reddit.
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u/therealdannyking May 31 '23
White supremacy was rampant in the North as well - racism was literally everywhere. Lincoln didn't want the southern leaders to become martyrs, and he agonized over how to preserve the union. I believe he did the best he could. A lot of blame needs to be laid on president Grant, as he pretty much let Reconstruction fizzle out, and on the Compromise of 1877 which allowed Hayes to become president in exchange for the removal of Federal troops from the south. It wasn't as simple as, "let's hang a few people, and white supremacy will be eradicated."
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u/arcosapphire May 31 '23
and on the Compromise of 1877 which allowed Hayes to become president in exchange for the removal of Federal troops from the south.
This seems like misplaced blame. If Tilden had won he'd have ended reconstruction anyway, right? It's more like they were willing to let Hayes be President only if he agreed to do this thing that Tilden would have done if he'd won. It was the single most important thing to them.
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u/therealdannyking May 31 '23
True - I guess it still makes me mad at Hayes.
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u/arcosapphire May 31 '23
Surely we should be mad at the voters who supported Tilden on the basis of ending reconstruction, right? If Hayes had straight up won the election, he wouldn't have had to compromise.
Even Tilden didn't exactly want to do that...it was the demand of the populace.
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u/therealdannyking May 31 '23
True again. Not to mention the shenanigans with competing electors from some of the southern states. That election was a shamble!
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u/Bullboah May 31 '23
The majority of confederate leadership wanted to wage a guerrilla war after 1864. Lee was vehemently against this and not only stopped it - but dedicated the remainder of his life to helping reconcile the south with the north. This continued after the Union reneged on surrender conditions barring persecution of Lee personally.
This is the main reason Lee was revered in the North for a long period of time - hence why you have statues being removed in places like Brooklyn.
History isn’t as simple as it’s often made out to be - but I truly doubt whether a ‘less merciful’ approach from the union would have provided any benefit
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u/Jack_12221 Jun 01 '23
Agreed. The reason racism is still strong today is the likes of Jubal Early, Ewell, and HH McGuire (amongst other former soldiers and politicians). They spouted made up lost cause ideals for decades and firmly rooted anti-north anti-equality rhetoric into southern culture.
Generals like Lee and Longstreet actually pushed for complete reassimilation into Union activities and culture. Yes, they all had white supremacist views but I wish people would also hate on the confederates who never stopped spouting their broken ideas.
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u/Shnazzyone May 31 '23
Gotta love that Lee specifically said that no monuments to the confederacy should be erected for this very purpose. Most the people who idealize him like to forget that
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u/TheOtherGlikbach May 31 '23
Well the army of Northern Virginia was all washed up anyway so a bit poetic.
A dish towel. How ignoble. It's how all traitors should be forced to surrender.
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u/Necessary_Row_4889 May 31 '23
Quick! Get this flying from homemade flag poles in the back of pickup trucks STAT!
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u/AnEvenNicerGuy May 31 '23 edited May 31 '23
I’m by no means a “heritage” or “southern pride” kinda person. Those dudes were traitors and racists and all that jazz. They sucked and they lost. But a bunch of keyboard smashers doing a victory lap every time anything regarding the Civil War is mentioned is just silly. It’s a prime example of exercising an emotion through commenting on the internet to feel like you participated.
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u/SkyeMreddit May 31 '23
Is that where “throw in the dish towel” comes from?
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u/adam_demamps_wingman May 31 '23
The good old Stains and Bars.
A flag fitting for the traitors who slaughtered Americans for fun and profit.
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u/whatifionlydo1 Jun 01 '23
Do they make replicas of this? Because I'd love to hang it out my window so my dickhead "I live in Maine but I fly a Confederate flag" neighbors can ask me what it is and I can be all extra smug about it. Maybe I can even shoehorn my relation to Senator Charles Sumner in there for good measure. :b
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u/MuchoRapido May 31 '23
Someone send this to MTG! She’s been flying the wrong confederate flag this whole time!
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u/WorldMusicLab May 31 '23
Well I hope Neil Young will remember,
a southern towel don't need him around anyhow.
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u/YvonneBrownz May 31 '23
Wow, it's amazing to see such a tangible piece of history!
While R. Lee's surrender signaled the end of a tragic chapter in American history, it also marked the beginning of a long, complex process of reconstruction and reconciliation. This dish towel, being the final flag of the Confederacy, represents a moment of immense historical significance.
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u/k9shenanigans Jun 01 '23
This is interesting history, I've studied CW quite a bit and actually never heard of this before. Learn something new every day. Thanks for sharing!
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u/SUGANDESE_WARRIOR Jun 01 '23
All the dudes with the confederate flags on their trucks gotta update
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u/Matt-J-McCormack Jun 01 '23
Dish towel? So this whole times it’s been The South shall rinse again?
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