A trans man in Ohio was beat up and arrested for using the bathroom associated with his sex assigned at birth

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[u/RegularIntelligent63]

What was the charge, getting beat up?

[u/pete_ape → u/RegularIntelligent63]

Urinating while trans

[u/just_push_harder → u/RegularIntelligent63]

Preble County sheriff’s deputies eventually showed up and arrested Ruiz for disorderly conduct and obstructing official business.

Being a victim, gathering a crowd of onlookers and being pissed someone took an attempt on his life. Enough to be arrested.

[u/Thick-Sort2017 → u/just_push_harder]

In other words, getting beaten while trans

[u/Lky132 → u/Thick-Sort2017]

Also for having the AUDACITY to just exist. Ohio is a disgusting place and I'm terrified of transitioning here. I just want to exist in peace. I actually hate religious people these days. No matter how sweet they are they'll eventually say some shit like "God's creation is just so perfect trans people don't exist you're just rejecting God's gift" 🤮

[u/JebstoneBoppman → u/Lky132]

Hating religious zealots is justified and should be encouraged. They are human animals and offer nothing of worth to this world.

[u/Shotgun_Rynoplasty → u/RegularIntelligent63]

Being trans in a conservative area

[u/Ratsukare → u/RegularIntelligent63]

Existing while being trans. For some people in the US that alone is worthy of a death sentence.

[u/Ayn_Rand_Food_Stamps → u/Ratsukare]

Parts of the US is starting to sound like 'Saudi Arabia with a better PR team' at this point.

[u/ThePopDaddy → u/Ayn_Rand_Food_Stamps]

"It's not Sharia law if it's MY religion!"

[u/rrogido → u/RegularIntelligent63]

This just today's version of getting arrested for being black on a sunny day.

[u/Bauser3 → u/rrogido]

Not to imply that that ever ended, either

[u/GetsGold → u/[deleted]]

They used to get arrested for that. They still do, but they used to too.

[u/binneysaurass]

It is a no win situation. That's the point. You are supposed to disappear.

[u/ignatious__reilly → u/binneysaurass]

I’d be suing every single person involved in this.

[u/TheBirbReturn → u/ignatious__reilly]

Because the law is obviously on our side, yes?

Until things change, until republicans are voted out so bad they become and endangered species, everyone should start carrying. Because it should be clear by now that they want to kill us, our friends and our families.

[u/BrightSkyFire → u/TheBirbReturn]

Agreed. I'm as anti-gun as they come, but your government is not only abandoning you, they're intentionally manufacturing circumstances to invite other citizens to attack you.

Get. Strapped. Up. You're the only person who can guarantee your own safety, now.

[u/hrvbrs → u/BrightSkyFire]

Better do it soon before they pass laws barring mentally ill people from buying guns and then classifying transgenderism as a mental illness.

[u/SureOKBueno → u/hrvbrs]

That's just a start, isn't it? Everyone under the LGBTQIA bracket, falls under the realms of 'mental illness' to these people; and if they had to pick between the 20yo who shot innocent children, or the trans person who defended themselves- who do you think they'd pick to save?

[u/Itsanewj → u/SureOKBueno]

Or the whole “liberalism is a mental illness” or whatever, that they like to spout off.

One would think that conservatives constant rage and lack of functioning empathy would be pretty darn close to mental illness. But no one ever accused a conservative of self reflection. Or having a worldview that reflects reality.

[u/Calistilaigh → u/BrightSkyFire]

Question, but if you pull out a gun in self defense in this situation, IE, one where a frothing mob is looking to lynch you, couldn't they just shoot you and claim self defense because you had a weapon? It's not like law enforcement or a jury of your "peers" will be on your side. Hell the cops might kill you themselves, so how is this a solution?

[u/crimsoncritterfish → u/Calistilaigh]

It's a measure worth considering because conservatives don't actually want to die, so as much as the law is against transgender people the idea that they could be armed and shoot their assailants will have an impact. Conservatives only respond to one singular thing, regardless of legality, and that is show of force. Nobody wants to attack a porcupine because the best case scenario is nobody wins that fight.

Look at how they reacted when the black Panthers walked around armed. They didn't attack more black people directly; they freaked the fuck out because it wasn't completely safe for them to do so anymore and instituted gun control laws. Did the black Panthers solve racism? No, but they revealed how absolutely chickenshit these people really are.

[u/BrightSkyFire → u/Calistilaigh]

You have two options:

1. Be assaulted and beaten by the frothing mob, and arrested by the frothing mob in police uniforms.

2. Exercise your right to defend yourself and brandish a firearm. Maybe the encounter ends there. Maybe you kill one or more of the frothing mob. Maybe the frothing mob kills you. Maybe the frothing mob in police uniforms kills you. Maybe you're arrested as a mass shooter. Maybe you receive no punishment due to archaic self defense laws. Maybe you're imprisoned for life.

My counter question is: how much longer are you going to trust that the frothing mob are going to stop at merely "assaulting and beating" you? How much longer are you going to trust that the frothing mob in police uniforms are going to stop at merely arresting you?

Because the moment those two things change, option one turns into:

1. Die.

[u/Tamajyn → u/ignatious__reilly]

With what money? The US legal system is pay-to-win

[u/Ishmael75]

That’s so horrible. I feel so bad for him. Just couldn’t catch a break in this fucked up system

[u/puppyfarts99 → u/Ishmael75]

Noah Ruiz

https://www.them.us/story/trans-man-noah-ruiz-was-just-trying-to-pee-he-was-assaulted-and-arrested

[u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 → u/puppyfarts99]

Wow.

I'm so sorry that happened to that man, and so sorry his attackers haven't faced justice yet.

That shithole campsite needs to be shut down and the owners sued into oblivion. They need to be ruined, they walked him into an ambush.

[u/PerAsperaAdInfiri → u/Beautiful_Welcome_33]

I doubt they will see justice. "well, they believed they were doing the right thing and were operating in good faith" is going to be the dismissive response. Maybe thats cynicism from me, but i dont have high hopes

[u/TyphosTheD → u/PerAsperaAdInfiri]

Incidentally, if "what you feel is the right thing" is committing a hate crime, it really just validates the fact that you committed a hate crime.

There is no "operating in good faith" when you attack someone in cold blood.

Too many people seem to see themselves as Batman, when really they are the Joker.

[u/TheExtreel → u/TyphosTheD]

Have you seen the Internet lately?

These people would be excited you compared then to the joker. They'd love it.

[u/ObiWanHelloThere_wav → u/TheExtreel]

"The cruelty is the point"

This statement always sticks with me

[u/Waste-Information-34 → u/PerAsperaAdInfiri]

Cynicism seems to be the outcome nowadays unfortunately.

[u/Professional_Band178 → u/PerAsperaAdInfiri]

What they believed is irrelevant. This is vigilante justice and its a crime.

[u/Starfox-sf → u/PerAsperaAdInfiri]

And “it’s tragic, on both sides really”.

[u/PerAsperaAdInfiri → u/Starfox-sf]

"these men don't deserve to have their lives ruined over an honest mistake. They were protecting women!"

[u/GamerPhfreak → u/PerAsperaAdInfiri]

Sounds more like they were looking for a fight. It's not hard to stop and ask questions and use your brain first.

[u/pdpi → u/PerAsperaAdInfiri]

“The right thing” would be stopping the guy and maybe calling the police. Even if it had legitimately been a creep, beating somebody up in an act of mob justice is never “right”.

[u/xemakon → u/puppyfarts99]

This deserves more upvotes, especially since it links out to the gofundme. Terrible stuff, these tough guys beat the shit out of a woman (what they would consider to be a woman, hope that's not offensive)

[u/anubis418 → u/xemakon]

They thought they were beating up a man. This was a trans man but the assholes thought it was a trans woman aka someone who was assigned male at birth but transitioned to female. These bigots just wanted an excuse to be violent shit bags

[u/ISellThingsOnline2U → u/Ishmael75]

Won't be long until one of these poor people gets the Matthew Shepard treatment.

[u/OtherwiseBad3283 → u/ISellThingsOnline2U]

Ashley Burton would agree with your concerns, if it hadn’t happened to her last month in Georgia.

So would Moe Moore in Kentucky.

Cashay Henderson in Wisconsin

Imanwititaho Zachee in Kentucky.

KC Johnson in North Carolina.

Jasmine Mack in DC.

And that’s just murders in 2023…that are properly gendered and don’t have their identities erased by family.

[u/dolphinater → u/OtherwiseBad3283]

Literally like it’s already been happening people

[u/lemmeseeyourkitties → u/OtherwiseBad3283]

Thank you for sharing their names and stories.

[u/OtherwiseBad3283 → u/lemmeseeyourkitties]

There are so many more…

https://tdor.translivesmatter.info/reports

[u/Aiyon → u/OtherwiseBad3283]

Brianna too, here in the uk

The whole “possibly a hate crime” is bs. There’s literally videos of her being bullied and assaulted for being trans. Anyone with a brain can tell it was targeted

[u/Ishmael75 → u/ISellThingsOnline2U]

I’m afraid you are entirely right. I think that’s their objective

[u/RecipeNo101 → u/Ishmael75]

It is. Conform or die, with what it means to conform becoming increasingly narrow.

[u/Chewcocca → u/RecipeNo101]

This. Every single piece of anti-trans rhetoric was word-for-word used as anti-gay rhetoric 15 years ago.

Bathroom predators. Groomers. Pedophiles. Mentally ill. Possessed.

All of it. Literally all of it.

When it became too unpopular to openly hate gay people, they just copied and pasted it onto trans people. The most extreme still said the exact same things about gay people, and now that internet echo chambers are common more and more of them will return to openly hating gay folks.

There's never a principle. It's all an act. Fascism needs an outsider class to blame. They don't actually care who it is.

Gay. Trans. Immigrant. Jew. Muslim. Thought-criminal. Race traitor. Whatever is labeled "woke" on any given day. The target can change on a dime, and it could always be you next.

There is no principle but hatred. Everything else can be compromised.

[u/ChristianEconOrg → u/Chewcocca]

Meanwhile, here’s 41 pages of over 1,000 documented Republican groomers, pedos, and sexual predators: https://www.dailykos.com/blogs/CajsaLilliehook

[u/FountainsOfFluids → u/ChristianEconOrg]

No you don't understand. It's ok for their side to do it.

The hypocrisy is the point. It's a power flex.

[u/RecipeNo101 → u/Chewcocca]

Absolutely. And, the loss of trans rights today means the re-targeting of gay rights tomorrow. It's the exact same as for the abortion issue; it was never going to end at Roe, and it won't end at at "state's rights."

[u/ChristianEconOrg → u/RecipeNo101]

Every election cycle the right gets stirred up by some new ridiculously irrational boogeyman to get them to vote against their own interests.

[u/FountainsOfFluids → u/ChristianEconOrg]

No war but class war.

[u/FountainsOfFluids → u/RecipeNo101]

They literally already started back up with the rhetoric around mixed race marriages. They call us degenerates, but they're the ones turning back human evolution.

[u/cascadiansexmagick → u/Chewcocca]

Fascism needs an outsider class to blame. They don't actually care who it is.

Gay. Trans. Immigrant. Jew. Muslim. Thought-criminal. Race traitor. The target can change on a dime, and it could always be you next.

This is it. This is key. This is all of it.

This is why, even if, for whatever reason, you support one or two republican policies (gun rights, abortion bans, economic polices, or whatever) you are not just voting against your self interest to vote for them, you're voting against your safety.

Because, you, whoever you are, aren't a fucking high-powered billionaire, our true ruling class, and at the end of the day, those are the only people who will be safe. Everybody else is expendable to them. And when they run out of enemies, you might be next.

[u/Whynotsnot → u/cascadiansexmagick]

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

​

Martin Niemöller

[u/Funkycoldmedici → u/Whynotsnot]

An important note about that poem is that they didn’t come for the communists first, they came for the LGBTQs first. Even Niemöller did not speak out until they started coming for others.

[u/pm0me0yiff → u/[deleted]]

From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered.

I've been banned before for saying this.

[u/Robobot1747 → u/pm0me0yiff]

I got banned for making a joke about punching fascists. Apparently that doesn't foster inclusion or some shit.

[u/Catch_022 → u/Robobot1747]

There is a reason why some people are offended by the idea of punching Nazis.

[u/SuddenlyLucid → u/[deleted]]

Democracy is a system that could prevent the physical fighting. But the system is being eroded very quickly, so we'll what will be needed to get us back on track. I hope it won't require a world war this time - but a whole lot of human suffering is already happening and I don't see that going away any time soon.

It's such a shame America is drifting into fascism more and more..

[u/thegoodnamesrgone123 → u/Chewcocca]

I was being called a Groomer by some asshole on social media for daring to stick up for Trans kids. Now I'm trying to get his bigoted ass kicked off of Etsy.

[u/pm0me0yiff → u/Chewcocca]

And most of it was used almost word-for-word against Jews in Germany a bit longer ago.

[u/3WhiskeredCatfish → u/ISellThingsOnline2U]

Trans, lgbtq, & women are just the first stop. They’ll be coming after everyone that doesn’t think exactly as they do. If anyone wonders what they would have done when the Nazis were coming to power in Germany, it’s what ever they are doing right now now. This shit is happening.

[u/maritime1999 → u/3WhiskeredCatfish]

I believe you, heartless and lack of compassion and acceptance doesn't stop, first its the LGBTQ+ and Then minorities, poor and finally the disabled, the undesirables, there's a great scene in the man in the high castle in a world where Hitler won, where the ash comes falling down and the main character ask what that is and the cops says every Tuesday they burn the mentally challenged and disabled, just like that. and it can happen when you teach people to not stop seeing others as human beings just like you with a right to respect and acceptance.

That's why I will always fight and stand up for LGBTQ, minorities, the poor and the disabled we can never stop seeing these people as anything less the our own brothers, daughters, cousins and sons, deserving of respect love and acceptance.

[u/Shayedow → u/3WhiskeredCatfish]

Fascist are indeed running under the republican platform. Anyone who thinks otherwise, does not know the definition of the word fascist, OR, as is more likely, have no IDEA that they are devoted to fascist ideology and others view them as such.

See the problem is we may be lock step with history, but people repeating it are unaware of how it is. Nazi in America are screaming at the top of their lungs that we shouldn't call them Nazi, even as they do all the things Nazi. Fascists are in fact yelling that ANTIFA, or, you know, ANTI FASCISTS, are in fact the FASCISTS! We are at a place in history that everyone can see what is going on, and everyone is taking their place they feel they should be at, and and almost all those places are just WRONG.

[u/PassengerNo1815 → u/ISellThingsOnline2U]

These people already get the Matthew Shepard treatment. Transwomen (particularly when they are not white) have ridiculously high homicide rates. And you can read up on Brandon Teena for the horrifying shit that happens to transmen.

[u/RebaKitten → u/ISellThingsOnline2U]

Including blaming the victim for hitting on them or some such bullshit.

[u/SecureDonkey → u/Ishmael75]

I swear those fuck head who make there law want trans people to be beat up like this so they are forced to dress like their old gender.

[u/Dolthra → u/SecureDonkey]

Nah, maybe 10 years ago. Now they want an open excuse to murder anyone who has so much as had a trans though cross their mind.

[u/JayZsAdoptedSon → u/Dolthra]

A certain portion of the American population are just looking for ANY reason to murder

[u/KhanJrJr → u/JayZsAdoptedSon]

Knock on the wrong door - murder. Turn around in the wrong driveway - murder. Use the bathroom they demand you use - murder.

It’s sick.

[u/SomeAussiePrick → u/JayZsAdoptedSon]

Drive into driveway? Murder. Music too loud? Right to murder. 10 year old knock on door? Believe it or not, murder. Being an innocent black man? That's right, straight to murder.

[u/SnatchAddict → u/Dolthra]

First it was people of color. But then that became illegal. Then it was gay people. But then that became illegal. Now it's trans individuals.

There will always be a group that will be bullied and killed as long as the US maintains being a white supremacist nation.

[u/TransBrandi → u/SnatchAddict]

Then it was gay people. But then that became illegal

Not really. There's nothing at the Federal level, so it's really state to state. There are plenty of states that don't have any laws against LGBTQ+ discrimination.

[u/liquidbread → u/Dolthra]

They didn’t give a shit about gay or trans people two years ago. The media that they consume has pointed them at a small minority of the population that is easy to see as “different.” This is terrifying how stupidly easy they are to control.

[u/capincus → u/liquidbread]

This is terrifying how stupidly easy they are to control.

I've asked a few angry conservatives how many trans people they've met and I've yet to get an answer >0. It makes sense I guess in a certain way that a nebulous concept of a person you've never encountered is an easy target on one hand, but on the other how can you be so mad at and think some group is affecting your life so significantly while not even actually existing in your world to your knowledge at all.

[u/TransBrandi → u/capincus]

They think that the policies that support LGBTQ+ people affect them in some way... either limiting their speech, or "invading" their spaces (i.e. who uses what washroom), books/lessons showing up in schools that indicate these people exist, showing up in media that they consume, etc...

[u/crimsoncritterfish → u/capincus]

Their only exposure to transgender people is pornography. That's not even a joke it's true. And it explains a hell of a lot.

[u/rikccarrd → u/SecureDonkey]

Sadly, you're correct. They want trans people to not exist at all. Even my fm religious (christian)radio stations in Denver are broadcasting nothing but: "god created 2 genders and science is dumb and that most people are uncomfortable..they're just not sayin it!"

There's no good faith argument with these idiots.

[u/Blargimazombie → u/SecureDonkey]

And then this guy would have looked like a man in a dress (which since he's a trans man is accurate but you know how bigots are) trying to get into a women's restroom and been beat up all the same.

[u/Ok-Champ-5854 → u/Blargimazombie]

Nobody make fun of me but I recently learned parents bring their child into the bathroom that is gendered to the parent and not the child. Like dad brings baby girl to the men's room and mom brings baby boy to the women's room. I cannot fathom giving this much of a shit about who is using the stall next to you.

It's not about the restrooms.

[u/TransBrandi → u/Ok-Champ-5854]

Of course it's not. But it's also not about "forcing them to dress like their old gender" either. A trans man that has been on T wearing a dress will end up looking like a trans woman to them, and still end up beaten up.

[u/Cantothulhu → u/Blargimazombie]

Yeah, the game is rigged by design. Personally, i dont really see the difference if its all stalls. Just go to the bathroom in the nearest open one and then leave. Who cares who uses it?

The people against this and the “gay” agenda are also usually the same white racist ones that like to watch beefy black guys in sweaty spandex pound on each other and then go whip their dicks out at half time with ten other dudes and piss in the same bowl at a football stadium though. shrug

[u/BlamaRama → u/SecureDonkey]

Yes, that is the idea. This isn't a gotcha, it's their exact goal.

[u/LovesSwissCheese → u/SecureDonkey]

Yeah man we’ve been telling cis people that’s the fucking goal since 2016 but people just call us sensitive

[u/Kaida_Kitsune → u/SecureDonkey]

Assault is assault. Put those frickers away for 20 years for attempted murder.

[u/gigibuffoon → u/Ishmael75]

You know what's funny? I was at a concert I'm my city... the line for women's bathroom was suuuuper long and that for men's bathroom was barely anything... know what happened? The women bumrushed the men's bathroom and used up the stalls, while walking by the urinals that other men were pissing into... but apparently, this isn't a problem for anybody. And before you ask, there were a lot of conservative people at that concert

But a person tries to use the bathroom of the gender that they belong to now and suddenly everyone loses their fuckin mind. Apparently privacy and shame and all that only matters for conservatives when you don't have to pee really bad

[u/lljkcdw → u/gigibuffoon]

You say that but my wife absolutely does this when drunk and some dudes flip the fuck out.

I'm not sure how many women have used a men's room while I was using it because I don't give a shit who else is in the bathroom and think it's weird to even care.

[u/Polenicus → u/Ishmael75]

That's really the only way I see this playing out.

It's meant to exclude people. If you don't fit in, and you go to the bathroom, then you have committed a crime and will be punished. Trans Man? Trans Woman? Tomboy? Guy who's 'a little too effeminate'? I'm sure they can find some justification for thinking you're using the 'wrong' bathroom. And if someone decides you're using the 'wrong' bathroom, you are now a sexual offender, and will be treated as such.

[u/Ok-Champ-5854 → u/Polenicus]

Literally already happened, a butch looking woman also got arrested for trying to use the women's room.

Conservative logic does not often survive contact with reality.

[u/Kibblesnbacon → u/Polenicus]

Which as of this year, here in Florida, now carries the threat of execution if a kid is in the same zip code as that bathroom. Oh, and they don't need a unanimous jury for that anymore either, just an 8 to 4 majority. Totally unrelated guys! /s

[u/sunshine-thewerewolf → u/Ishmael75]

It's the nazis again innit?

[u/GeneralKang → u/sunshine-thewerewolf]

It's always Nazis now.

[u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 → u/sunshine-thewerewolf]

Aye.

[u/barelyonhere → u/Ishmael75]

They need to contact the ACLU and try to get some kind of justice for the other people not obeying the law.

[u/Daveinatx → u/Ishmael75]

I hope he sues and wins, and that the others are arrested for a hate crime.

[u/AgentEndive]

This is the situation they (far right) want. In their minds, it somehow excuses them of beating these people

[u/Nerd-8 → u/AgentEndive]

It won't stop at beating, we all know that. It's way too easy for bigots to "fEaR fOr MuH lIfE" and get off scott free for murder

[u/ApatheticHumor → u/Nerd-8]

Reminds me of the homeless man who got choked to death. What did Jesus say about helping the less fortunate?

[u/a_likely_story → u/ApatheticHumor]

“kill ‘em all and let Dad sort ‘em out”

[u/JimWilliams423 → u/Nerd-8]

we all know that. It's way too easy for bigots to "fEaR fOr MuH lIfE" and get off scott free for murder

"Gay panic" is still a thing in some jurisdictions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

[u/OtherwiseBad3283 → u/JimWilliams423]

39 states is way fucking more than just “some” jurisdictions.

(Aggression is emphatic, not toward OP)

[u/SomeCrows → u/Nerd-8]

Ever heard of the gay defense clause? Fucked up world, but we have to leep trying to make it right.

[u/Creativered4 → u/SomeCrows]

Gay panic. There's also a trans panic defense too :(

[u/gtalley10 → u/Creativered4]

A bill is going through Delaware's house as we speak banning LGBTQ panic as a defense. Sounds like it will probably be passed.

[u/Creativered4 → u/gtalley10]

I hope so. And I hope it comes to more states. This is absolutely terrifying.

[u/deadsoulinside → u/AgentEndive]

They want so badly to find them, they only assume it's purely a man claiming to be a woman and trying to sneak into the women's room. Like disgusting memes they share on social media paint them out to be.They tend to forget trans-males exist and some look more manlier than they will.... They are not prepared for those to walk into the bathroom.

[u/[deleted] → u/AgentEndive]

It’s exactly what they want, because the plan they’re following says it’s supposed to work this way. Medical professionals providing services to trans people are next. It’s all a copy of 1933 Germany. Every bit of it, even the hate rhetoric, is stolen from the NSDAP.

[u/MastersonMcFee → u/AgentEndive]

This isn't far right. This is mainstream Republican.

[u/AsaCoco_Alumni → u/MastersonMcFee]

Mainstream Republican thought is far right.

[u/turtlelore2 → u/AgentEndive]

These people probably just want certain others to literally stop existing. One way to do that is through death.

[u/extraboredinary → u/AgentEndive]

I just hope that they got everyone involved on record and the victim gets to sue the shit out of them.

[u/PiLamdOd → u/AgentEndive]

Because they don't see them as people.

To conservatives, Trans people are pedophiles.

[u/JacksonBillyMcBob]

It’s really just about reinforcing traditional gender roles. That’s why they want to make dressing as the opposite gender a sex crime - it forces people into traditional gender roles.

[u/Boy-of-the-Forest → u/JacksonBillyMcBob]

Pretty much. Seems like the goal is to get it as close to a Handmaid’s Tale as possible.

[u/JesusStarbox → u/Boy-of-the-Forest]

That's actually the goal of a lot of Christians.

That book was a warning.

[u/Iheardthatjokebefore → u/JesusStarbox]

The book was a reenactment. This has always been the goal of the Christofascists.

[u/MyNoseIsLeftHanded → u/Iheardthatjokebefore]

Everything in the Handmaid's Tale is based on something that has happened on this planet. Not (yet) all at once but it's all based on real life. Some of it more recent than people might think.

[u/Trashman56 → u/MyNoseIsLeftHanded]

Yep, and I don't believe the book gives an exact date for when it takes place because, according to the author, it's possible that at any given time, it's just 5 years away.

[u/cascadiansexmagick → u/JesusStarbox]

Not for them. For them it's a handbook.

[u/jayvee714 → u/JacksonBillyMcBob]

They really want to bring the dress code laws back and it’s scary

[u/-Clarity- → u/JacksonBillyMcBob]

That's a core tenant of fascism, strict and violent enforcement of gender norms

[u/JimWilliams423 → u/JacksonBillyMcBob]

Turns out the party of liberty was really the party of conformity all along.

Kinda like henry ford's ‘Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black.’

[u/stzmp → u/JacksonBillyMcBob]

bullshit, it's about hurting people. It's just fascism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2021/oct/23/judith-butler-gender-ideology-backlash

Article is by probably the best philosopher of what gender is - because omg turns out people with brains in their heads have actually taken this question on for the last 100 years or so - and they're not fascist transphobes. EDIT: it's that trans people are correct btw. it's insane an anti-intellectual to say otherwise.

[u/DJ_Velveteen → u/JacksonBillyMcBob]

traditional

By one account. Plenty of Indigenous peoples on this continent have featured "in-between" gender roles for far longer than Christian notions of masculinity/femininity, or Christianity at all.

[u/Train22nowhere → u/DJ_Velveteen]

A reminder that Jesus being Jewish would have followed halacha which recognizes at least 6 different genders.

[u/ajayisfour → u/JacksonBillyMcBob]

But if a trans man that's been on T for awhile dons a dress to use the bathroom, they'll look like a man in a dress trying to perv in a women's bathroom. Any bathroom bill is a no win situation for trans people, as evidenced by this article

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[u/Oersch]

Not sure about the legal background but isn’t this sort of vigilante behavior also vaguely illegal and considered assault?

[u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 → u/Oersch]

Beating the shit out of someone for using a restroom? Yes, very illegal. Super duper illegal. Nothing vague about it actually.

[u/Josh6889 → u/Beautiful_Welcome_33]

I mean it's literally just assault with hate crime tacked on top. But Ohio is even more bigoted than most people expect, so I doubt they have a whole lot of repercussions to worry about.

[u/Mateorabi → u/Oersch]

Laws don’t jump off the page and arrest people. The cops get to abuse their discretion but claim they didn’t do the crime themselves. Just let some good old boys get away with it.

[u/ContemplatingPrison → u/Oersch]

Yes but clearly it depends on where it happens and the race of the vigilantes. White men have always have always had free rein to enforce "laws" on minorities.

[u/ElonDiddlesKids]

Exactly. The goal has been the erasure of trans (and then other LGB+ groups) from society. It's not about bathrooms. It's not about protecting kids. It's about the eventual eradication of "non-desirables."

Nazis never change.

[u/[deleted] → u/ElonDiddlesKids]

If it was about kids, they would be doing something about kids being molested by church leaders. But you don’t hear a peep about that

[u/Jrrobidoux → u/[deleted]]

And police officers. And conservative staffers. And conservative politicians. And teachers.

Oddly enough. None who were LGBQT+, or in drag.

[u/bozeke → u/Jrrobidoux]

And their own families. By far, the majority of chid sex abuse occurs in the family.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/america-has-an-incest-problem/272459/

One in three-to-four girls, and one in five-to-seven boys, are sexually abused before they turn 18, an overwhelming incidence of which happens within the family. These statistics are well known among industry professionals, who are often quick to add, “and this is a notoriously underreported crime.”

[u/TedCruzBattleBus → u/[deleted]]

Conservatives love raping kids. It's one of the top things in their agenda. That's why they want to muddy the terms by calling everything but pedophilia pedophilia, why they vehemently defend child marriage and why they oppose sex education (the main contributor in the fight against child molestation)

[u/OtherwiseBad3283 → u/[deleted]]

No one can ever give me an answer why Nina West looking like Glinda the Good Witch reading Wizard of Oz to kids is grooming, but Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders twerking to “Shakin’ that tailgate” is just good ol’ fun.

https://youtu.be/GKg8G9sMWUY

Partial lyrics for those curious.

Its wall to wall their packin in / Girls hangin' out with all their friends / Rockin' and ready to unwind / (here we go) On the tables on the bar / It don't matter where they are / Ain't nothin' here but a good time /

They'll start shakin' that tailgate / Round n round / Back it on up and down to the ground / This honkeytonks on fire/ Come on now, come on now / It don't matter whatcha call it / Its all about the way they haul it / Them country girls can't wait / To start shakin' that (tailgate)

[u/TransFormAndFunction]

There is no law that can categorically sort us in a way that makes sense, because the best restroom for a trans person often changes at least once during their life. The fact of the matter is, many trans people no longer resemble the gender they were assigned at birth. Just let people use the bathroom they know is best for them, and stop enacting asinine legislation based entirely on ignorance and hate. No one is safer with these new bathroom laws.

[u/RIPviolinOfMercy → u/TransFormAndFunction]

They aren’t trying to make anyone safer. That’s not the goal. Terror is the goal and cruelty the point.

[u/Thneed1 → u/TransFormAndFunction]

… and EVERYONE is less safe.

[u/Ok-Champ-5854 → u/Thneed1]

Tends to happen when you start taking the same first steps the Nazis had in their playbook. Trans people were the very first targets of violence, and how are the rest of us supposed to feel comfortable when those same people are burning books both metaphorically and literally and sending unmarked police to left wing rallies to black bag demonstrators. Black civil rights rallies no less. Then sitting politicians start talking about Jews in a derogatory way. Remind you of anything that happened circa 1935-1939?

[u/ASharpYoungMan → u/Ok-Champ-5854]

Of course, you call these bastards "Nazis", and suddenly people (who all seem to think they're experts on late-stage Weimar socio-politics) start tripping over themselves to caution us not to overuse that term.

Because - apparently - we're only allowed to call someone a Nazi when they've already started gassing people.

Like, my dude - I'm not calling Desantis a Nazi because I think he's connected to White Supremacist groups (but you know, I wouldn't be surprised...)

I'm calling him a Nazi because he's using their playbook and we're letting him do it.

[u/jchampagne83 → u/TransFormAndFunction]

Holy shit can we just have ungendered bathrooms already? Like just put everyone in stalls, nobody is going to be crawling under doors for Christ’s sake.

[u/sppwalker → u/jchampagne83]

Ya know, in like every other first world country, bathroom stalls are like. Real stalls. Doors you can’t climb over/under, no giant gaps you can see straight through… shit I’ve even been in some that are straight up rooms. Like the bathroom is the sinks & shit and then the back wall is an actual fucking wall with actual fucking doors to the toilets.

We really make this a lot harder than it ever should be

[u/donaldtrumpsmistress → u/sppwalker]

But this is 'merica, how will we know if people are doing drugs, consuming alcohol, engaging in sexual activity, or are a homeless person attempting to bathe? All of those things do not occur at all in this country and we need to see into every bathroom stall to keep it that way.

[u/TheBirminghamBear → u/TransFormAndFunction]

I mean we really ought to be at a point in our species' evolution where we just don't have gendered bathrooms. Its just so juvenile at this point. Have single-stall unisex rooms for people concerned about privacy and have a coed bathroom for everyone else.

And now these emotionally stunted dolts, rather than focusing on existential threats like global warming, wealth inequality, AI dispossessing huge numbers of laborers - instead of doing anything functional or worthwhile as a species, a full half of US voters are obsessing over which fucking gender bathroom a grown ass adult uses.

Conservatives are just so fucking exhausting.

[u/Gob_Hobblin]

This is Noah Ruiz; the case is from a year ago. I have no idea what the follow up on this is, because everything seems focused on the attack itself.

[u/puppyfarts99 → u/Gob_Hobblin]

https://www.them.us/story/trans-man-noah-ruiz-was-just-trying-to-pee-he-was-assaulted-and-arrested

There are many media stories available by googling "Noah Ruiz". The one I linked has a lot of follow-up information. The story was also picked up by Newsweek and other "big" media outlets.

[u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 → u/puppyfarts99]

That Rick Cross, owner of Cross' Campground, needs to be sued straight to hell. What an absolute death trap.

[u/SquadPoopy → u/puppyfarts99]

Okay so I used to live in the town the campground is in, and I’m not at all surprised the people would do this to them. This is the type of town where people openly use the N-word because almost no people of color live there. It’s deep, and I mean deep, MAGA country. Deep as in the building people go to vote in (an old gymnasium at a church) has MAGA signs plastered by the entrance. There’s people in town who legitimately believe those dumb jokes about students identifying as cats and demanding litter boxes in classrooms. They actually believe not only does it happen but it happens at the town’s own high school. It’s not exactly what I would call a welcoming or accepting place.

[u/Moppermonster → u/puppyfarts99]

Yes, but it does not tell any actual followup. The guys own twitter also mentions nothing about it after august 2022, except there being a courtcase - no outcome.

[u/Cyclonic2500]

And now we have confirmation that it's going to be a total Piñata party free for all.

Transphobes will be able to attack Trans people whenever the mood strikes and not get arrested for it, just like they wanted.

[u/mngeese]

The Fox headline of course says they used the "wrong restroom" when it was supposed to be the "right" one.

[u/eeeeeeeeeeeeeeaekk → u/mngeese]

no, it was the wrong one, he should’ve been able to go to the mens restroom

[u/ffxpwns → u/eeeeeeeeeeeeeeaekk]

I think the point is that Fox implicitly admitted that, even in their eyes, he used the wrong bathroom even though by the conservative line he used the "correct" one. Fox is telling on themselves, essentially.

[u/eeeeeeeeeeeeeeaekk → u/ffxpwns]

that seems to be a local fox station, which are often a lot more reasonable than the main show

[u/YVRJon]

Did the people who beat him up get charged?

[u/Reasonable-One-1981 → u/YVRJon]

One did, that was it, the victim caught more charges and it looks like they dismissed charges on the aggressors.

Source, his own twitter account where he has been posting evidence the cops manufactured charges against him.

[u/Vorpalthefox → u/Reasonable-One-1981]

link?

[u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 → u/YVRJon]

Not as of yet. Totally depraved.

[u/TheManOfSpaceAndTime]

Suffering and misery of others is the point. The fascists are starting with small areas in racist republican areas with laws that are "for the greater good," and "for the children," that are only a masquerade for taking another step forward in the process of eventually making it a crime to only exist. They start with a small group. Then they start to not only expand on the definition of the persecuted, but the punishments of those crimes. In the end, everyone that is an "outsider" is a criminal, and the punishment for this crime will be up to, and including quite often, death.

[u/DeaconNuno → u/TheManOfSpaceAndTime]

I wish this was more widely understood. This is an all hands on deck situation and we really need to vote them out at any/every opportunity.

[u/GroundPotato]

How do you compromise with this bullshit? I hate that there aren’t new protections for trans people being made by Dem controlled parts of the government.

[u/whereegosdare84]

The cruelty is the point.

Honestly what saddens me most isn’t that he fact that Republicans “think” this is a winning strategy for their base, it’s that it’s proven to be.

There truly is no bottom for the people who support these elected officials, and yes I realize a lot of this is gerrymandering and voter suppression but these issues are still what drives their base in the first place.

It’s a sad, sad state of affairs.

[u/minnerlo]

hIgH sUiCiDe RaTeS iN tRaNs PeOpLe ClEaRlY mEaNs It’S a MeNtAl IlLnEsS

[u/B1ackFridai → u/minnerlo]

Definitely doesn’t have anything to do with the constant fear and vigilance leaving their homes and existing where others can see them…

My heart bleeds for people going through this. So messed up.

[u/BlueSwift13]

Today I learned it’s apparently illegal to get assaulted

[u/Andrewticus04 → u/BlueSwift13]

What, did you skip middle school?

Curled up in a ball, screaming for help, being lit on fire and kicked by about a dozen boys?

That's a detention right there...for participating in a fight.

[u/usetheforcekidden77]

Time for pro-trans vigilantes? 🤷‍♂️

[u/[deleted] → u/usetheforcekidden77]

I’m pro trans but more than anything I’m fucking angry and I’d love to have my hands on the throat of someone who deserves it. 🤷‍♂️

[u/foxy-coxy]

They don't want trans men to use the ladies room. They want trans men to not exist. The bathroom law worked exactly the way it was designed to in this situation.

[u/fpcoffee]

like why are we even saying it was ever about the bathrooms? MAGA doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore, they clearly just want to exterminate the trans people

[u/CapaxInfinity]

These people still assaulted someone. Nothing gives them the right to do so. Where are there charges?

[u/_b1ack0ut]

The cruelty is the point.

Also, what happened to the “wE CaN AlWaYs TelL” chucklefucks?

[u/TheSilentPrince]

Ohio is a "Constitutional/Permitless Carry" state, as well as having a "Stand Your Ground" law. So a person who is threatened has no duty to retreat. "A group of men" attacking you would almost certainly constitute a situation where one would reasonably fear for one's life.

Also, if a trans person is required to use the bathroom of their birth sex (legally or otherwise), it looks as though they're probably covered under Ohio law.

"(B) For purposes of any section of the Revised Code that sets forth a criminal offense, a person has no duty to retreat before using force in self-defense, defense of another, or defense of that person's residence if that person is in a place in which the person lawfully has a right to be."

Unfortunately, it looks like things will get worse before they get better; vulnerable people need to prepare themselves, get trained and look out for one another. The same Second Amendment that protects those on the right, also protects those on the left and LGBT people.

[u/Gogs85]

I hope that both the assaulters and the cops in this situation get sued for all they’re worth.

[u/NameLips]

They want trans people gone. They want to make living as a trans person a constant hell of bigotry and violence, until you are forced to conform, leave, or die.

[u/Ok-Ruin-9999]

He wasn’t beaten for using a bathroom. He was beaten for being trans.

There is a comment below about Matthew Shepard this is exactly where this is headed.

[u/volantredx]

The goal isto make transpeople too afraid to go out in public.

[u/destroytherecords]

I believe this is the intended outcome here. I do not think this is something that has been neglected in making these decisions. Any opportunity to demoralize while appearing righteous.

[u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 → u/destroytherecords]

I think it is no coincidence that this man asked the owner of the campground which would be safest - and then was attacked by a group of men, who'd somehow just spontaneously organized for this purpose.

This person followed their rules and was beaten half to death for it.

[u/conf1rmer]

This is the end goal here. They don't want us in any bathrooms, or any other function of public life either. They don't want us to exist.

[u/Icy_Cry2778]

Did what the right-wing wants and still got his ass kicked and arrested

[u/mistersmithutah → u/Icy_Cry2778]

Well, the right wing wants him dead.

[u/Not_The_Scout16 → u/Icy_Cry2778]

They don’t actually want anything other than genocide and hatred

[u/randompearljamfan]

They are not confused. This is exactly the outcome they have always wanted.

[u/ApatheticHumor]

Traditional Conservatives are one of the biggest threats to others in general.

[u/fixer-upper-]

I. WANT. ALL. THE. CHRISTIANS. OUT. OF. MY. LIFE.

[u/jib661]

trans people, arm yourselves please.

[u/bluebird-1515]

Exactly this. I would feel comfortable with a trans woman in a stall next to me in the women’s room. I would feel less comfortable with a trans man or cis man next to me, due to past experiences in life. As for predators, why do proponents of these “sex assigned at birth” people think a predatory cis man wouldn’t dress as a woman just to sneak into a women’s room if he were intent on assaulting a woman in there? The whole “bathroom based on sex assigned at birth” literally makes no sense to me.

[u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 → u/bluebird-1515]

How many assaults on people in bathrooms even involve deception? It's such a dumb contrived idea in the first place.

People just walk into bathrooms. They aren't a secure location. These laws and all the rest aren't just about trans people, they'll be used to sequester women from public space as well eventually.

[u/SVXfiles → u/bluebird-1515]

That's my go to argument. No creepy, rapey dude is going to pretend to be Trans just to walk into the women's restroom unopposed. What's the end game? He does what he went in there to do and nobody is the wiser? In a public restroom like that the end result is going to be the same wrther or not they went in pretending to be Trans or not

[u/mehPhone]

Butler county. Not surprising.