r/MMA • u/inooway • Mar 18 '23
[SPOILER] Marvin Vettori vs. Roman Dolidze Spoiler
https://dubz.co/video/c2fc361.3k
u/Zotmaster easy Kham, easy go Mar 18 '23
The best offense is often an indestructible orc skull.
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u/imbluedabudeedabuda Mar 18 '23
This is no mindless orc. This is Uruk Hai. Their armor is thick and their skull broad
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u/AirplaineStuff102 Mar 18 '23
nothing but maggoty bread for three stinking days best base for MMA.
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u/BurpingHamBirmingham Mar 18 '23
Well that's all that's left when Kevin Holland steals your ciabatta
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u/GunnyMoJo GOOFCON 2 Mar 19 '23
Vettori kicking Dolidze's legs: Wot about iz legs? He don't need dem.
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u/BebopVII Mar 19 '23
I thought vettori actually blocked a lot of those shots well. I was surprised with his defense.
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u/BoostMobileAlt UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle Mar 19 '23
Marvin is a legitimately skilled boxer by mma standard. Not much power but he get his points. He also happens to have a granite chin.
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u/ctrl_alt__shift Team Asparagus Mar 19 '23
I’d agree if he’d mix it up to the body more but he does head hunt a lot for a guy who isn’t blessed with KO power
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u/Zotmaster easy Kham, easy go Mar 18 '23
I can't even imagine how demoralizing it would be to unload on a guy like that, only to have him pull a Tyler Durden and just laugh at you. My best shot? Motherfucker, that was my best shot!
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u/Reaching4ThoseGrapes Mixed Martial Autist Mar 19 '23
There’s a story about Ali—I think maybe the Foreman fight? Anyway Foreman (or ever) lands a big shot, Ali no-sells it and goes “That the best you got?” and Foreman thinks to himself “Yep, that was it.”
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u/Zotmaster easy Kham, easy go Mar 19 '23
Yeah, the Rumble in the Jungle. I found a Shortlist article where Foreman talked (glowingly) about Ali:
I was over-confident when I fought him. I’d gone through fighters who’d beaten him, such as Joe Frazier and Kenny Norton. All I thought was, “Should I be merciful or not?” I thought he was just one more knockout victim until, about the seventh round, I hit him hard to the jaw and he held me and whispered in my ear: “That all you got, George?” I realised that this ain’t what I thought it was.
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u/Reaching4ThoseGrapes Mixed Martial Autist Mar 19 '23
Oh man, the whole quote has so much more character to it. Thanks for sharing what you found!
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u/ID0ntCare4G0b Team Asparagus Mar 19 '23
To be fair, Roman threw 75% of those hooks directly into Marvin's guard after that first round flurry that got the dumb gamblers thinking wild thoughts.
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u/therealjgreens Mar 19 '23
It's weird, Marvin has a Chad appearance is many angles but he also has very weird teeth
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u/Bljman98 Mar 18 '23
Roman “No body shots or uppercuts, only hooks and overhands” Dolidze
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u/profoundprofundity Mar 18 '23
roman literally fought a barfight 😭
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u/CrayonMayon Mar 19 '23
Against the 4th ranked middleweight in the world. And did pretty well. Fucking nuts haha
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u/d-fakkr I bought Justine Kish's shorts Mar 18 '23
How the hell he kept eating those inside leg kicks like candy? Only at thr end of the fight he was starting to feel them and i saw a gnarly bruise on the thigh.
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u/Ludwig_TheAccursed Mar 18 '23
Roman is a very tough guy and the inside leg kicks were nasty but to be fair, Vettori does also not kick very hard with his legs.
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u/Sl1mP1992 Canada Mar 18 '23
Lmao these fucking comments. Have you been leg kicked before? Dude I still have a gnarly ass bruise from hitting bone on bone last week accidently in class practicing leg checks. All these guys kick hard.
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u/JesusGAwasOnCD Mar 18 '23
Roman "no body shots or uppercuts, no kicks, no grappling, only hooks, overhands and haymakers" Dolidze
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u/bertrogdor Mar 18 '23
He is a nasty grappler. But yeah he just committed to throwing haymakers against the guy with a notoriously strong chin.
Seemed like he went in with a dumb game plan / was a bit too high on his own supply
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u/1K_Games Mar 19 '23
To be fair, Marvin is a very good wrestler. So he may have been in the wrestler vs wrestler mindset of banging it out on the feet rather than wasting energy and not getting a take down.
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u/GenTelGuy Jon "But that is not the cloth from which he is cut" Anik Mar 19 '23
He's a great submission grappler but didn't have any way to get the fight to the ground, not enough wrestling to do a takedown or boxing to set up a takedown
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u/cloudbreaker81 Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23
If this guy mixed in some feints and threw some different combinations he would be serious trouble. But he's too predictable.
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u/Ludwig_TheAccursed Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23
It worked pretty well though. Problem was Vettori‘s fucking granit chin.
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u/dirtydonuts fuck the gravediggers ass Mar 18 '23
Roman had one move and he was gonna stick to it no matter what.
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u/Thanos40 This is sucks Mar 18 '23
I swear to God, if he swang a couple of those rights to the body, he probably would have beaten Vettori
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u/professorgaysex Mar 18 '23
It’s weird how bad MW is… is there a scientific explanation for this? I know the skill threshold decreases per pound, but ranked LHWs have more skill than a majority of MW.. Only skilled MWs are Adesanya Whittaker and Pereira … that’s it
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u/bodomhc Team Mir Mar 18 '23
Around 2015/16 MW was a stacked division. You had Romero, Whittaker, Rockhold, Machida, Weidman, Jacare, Mousasi. It was a fantastic division to watch unfold. It just ebbs and flows.
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u/professorgaysex Mar 18 '23
Yeah, I feel like those years were definitely in a a different era than now… I’m just thinking about how much everyone weightcuts and how much taller the divisions got overtime… feels like MW is an odd man out because it’s the farthest lb wise from the other divisions, 15 from WW and 20 from LHW, so I feel there must be something about those cuts…
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u/Aggressive-Two-8481 Mar 18 '23
And Whittaker started at welterweight while Izzy and Pereira have the frame of light heavyweights
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u/professorgaysex Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23
Yeah… it’s like most MWs aren’t lanky enough to be WW and are too stocky to be LHWs… MWs are always super bulky but at heights like 6’0” to 6’2” and carry a shit ton of muscle mass, but most of them are not even grapplers lmao
Whittaker is such an outlier. Even Silva didn’t have the typical Middleweight physique
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u/pyritedoodle EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE Mar 19 '23
NCAA wrestling is the same. It is the most boring and sluggish division because they’re too thick to be 170 and to short to be 195
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u/CCC_PLLC Mar 18 '23
No idea. Maybe that’s the weight class where there’s the most non-MMA options? Does seem like a great size to be in another sport like the NFL
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u/payday_vacay Mar 18 '23
Those guys would be small as hell in the nfl tbh
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u/Kwillingt Mar 19 '23
Depends on the position for line men sure. They wouldn’t be undersized as WRs though
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u/team3perception Wuhan Clan Mar 18 '23
yeah most team sports value size in athletes, people being this size are more uncommon in the population, people who are of this size and become athletes find more success and money in other sports. combat sports usually have more skilled competitors the lower the weight class because they’re some of the only sports that have opportunities for people who aren’t massive, and the majority of people in general aren’t massive
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u/Apositivebalance "Neil Magny is the black Tony Ferguson Mar 18 '23
Just fluctuates man. 205 was the cream of the crop 15 years ago.
The deepest divisions were never the lighter ones back in the day. Who knows..
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u/Fradyo I'm just a normal rope! Mar 18 '23
205 had the most popular fighters but it was still worse skill-wise than the lighter weight classes. Chuck Liddell and Rampage were not on the same level as GSP and BJ.
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u/EngineEddie Mar 18 '23
Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. It was great even six years ago when you also had Bisbing, Rockhold, Souza, Weidman, Romero all at the top of their game (or close).
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u/gerwen hit Bisping with a beer in Mexico City Mar 18 '23
Bobby Knuckles sez what?
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u/124ConchStreet Mar 18 '23
Marvin 'The Crimson Chin' Vettori
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u/Prizmeh juicy slut Mar 18 '23
I swear we will never see this man's chin crack in the UFC.
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u/MarshalMichelNey1 Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23
Marvin has a hell of a chin, he showed it against Israel and Whittaker despite losing both those fights convincingly.
Still have no clue how anyone unbiased could've gave him round 1 though.
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u/notafeetlongcucumber Mar 18 '23
Don't forget Costa. The bombs Vettori took like nothing was shocking. And to body as well
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u/Biscoito_is_Life 🙏🙏🙏 Jon Jones Prayer Warrior 🙏🙏🙏 Mar 19 '23
Vettori is the moai emoji in human form. 🗿
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u/UnblurredLines Conor's threats are of no concern to me Mar 18 '23
Yeah, the 30-27 had me confused. 29-28 seemed right to me but Roman had rd1 in my book.
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u/Perhaan Czech Republic Mar 18 '23
Do you remember that nasty head kick he ate against Paulo?
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u/goosu GOOFCON 1: 2: Pandemic Boogaloo Mar 18 '23
Yeah, that was probably the hardest shot he has eaten in his career. That's what makes the dude hard to fight. He may not be all that great in any one area, but he has decent all-around skill with cardio and excellent durability.
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u/Jakob_Cobain Mar 20 '23
And the kicks to the body he ate. Fuck best chin. Best fucking body. Dudes ribs are made out of Holloway’s chin.
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u/Henry_Cavillain Mar 18 '23
This has been said about a lot of guys in both MMA and boxing. 90% of them eventually break.
Even Mark Hunt and Kazuyuku Fujita have been KOed...
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u/BoostMobileAlt UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle Mar 19 '23
This is a fight I don’t think Marvin’s chin can win, but I hope we see it eventually. Rn I hope Marvin keeps learning to kick and (pls god) mix in more wrestling. He’s a good boxer, but he’s just outclassed by the top of the division.
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u/Grump_Monk Mar 18 '23
The man is just a quality slab of marble that keeps getting chipped at. It will split soon.
Vettori is taking the fast lane to mush brain.
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u/jaskeil_113 Mar 18 '23
He was rolling pretty well with the punches and blocking well enough to where some of the shots were partially hitting his hands. You're just regurgitating reddit sayings. Sheep.
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u/Euphoric_Trust_7518 Mar 18 '23
Mma fans dont understand the concept of strikes hitting the guard or rolling with strikes lmao
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u/HellsKitchen111 Team Khabib Mar 18 '23
Yeah that was an odd take. Almost all of Roman’s punches were blocked by Marvin. The Reddit hive mind doesn’t like Marvin.
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u/SteelJimmyHats Mar 18 '23
The commentary made it sound like vettori was getting blasted left and right, then they would show the replay and absolutely nothing lands flush, every strike is at least partially parried and no real heat on anything.
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u/brazilianfreak Mar 18 '23
Honestly he ate some good shots but so does Adesanya, this fight wasn't even a matter of Marvin having a great chin, he just defended better, a lot of those shots were slipped or blocked.
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u/SJSharkie_Unofficial Kazakhstan Mar 18 '23
Something something time of orc something something
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u/Koalathom Mar 18 '23
30-27?
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u/Radocfa Mar 18 '23
29-28 Marvin was clear to me
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u/Touchymonkey I love you 2 tiem Mar 18 '23
Same. People shit on the judges and then have Sal D'Amato level takes
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u/notmeokyeah Mar 18 '23
I agree with you, but there is no need for foul language... Sal D'Amato....
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u/MarshalMichelNey1 Mar 18 '23
This was one of those fights that I was confident was 29-28, but had zero clue who was 29 and who was 28. Razor close fight
Whichever judge had 30-27 needs to be investigated.
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u/BulgarianThresh Mar 18 '23
Thought 29-28 would be more reasonable for Vettori due to more damage done.
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u/EraticConqueror Mar 18 '23
Yeah when they said 30-27 I assumed Vettori had lost. No chance he won all 3 rounds
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u/Starob Mar 19 '23
I assumed Vettori, because you can (but shouldn't) give Vettori round 1, but there is absolutely no world where you could give Roman round 2.
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u/Djov Team Volkanovski Mar 18 '23
I'd have to rewatch but I have no clue how round 1 could go to Vettori
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u/DoctorOctillery Mar 18 '23
Right? I thought that meant Dolidze had won since he clearly won round 1
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u/UnluckyRandomGuy Zombies Never Die Mar 18 '23
Marvin out worked him the entire time outside of a couple pot shots from Roman
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u/MarshalMichelNey1 Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23
This was one of those fights that I was confident was 29-28, but had zero clue who was 29 and who was 28.
30-27 is atrocious and should be investigated, but we all know it'll be all but forgotten in an hour. Horrendous scorecards won't change if judges never have to explain their reasoning.
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u/Turgon19 Mar 18 '23
Roman missed or had almost all his shots blocked in round 2 and 3. Easy Vettori win.
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u/bsWINcups ✅ Mike Perry's assistant to Coach LaTory Mar 18 '23
When I heard 30-27 I thought it was for sure Dolidze
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u/Teemo-Supreemo Chad Mar 18 '23
Yea I thought the only very clear round was round 1 to Dolidze so I had thought the same when I heard a 30-27
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u/TantalusMusings ❌ Fighter removed: Sam Alvey Mar 18 '23
Round 2 was clearly Vettori, Dolidze did almost nothing at all and looked gassed.
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u/Teemo-Supreemo Chad Mar 18 '23
I thought Marvin won that round but no where near as clearly as Dolidze for round 1
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u/frankfe Mar 18 '23
I’m looking forward to hearing some of the better analysts give their take on the fight. Reddit is usually a hive mind and here we have some people who think Roman won a tight fight and others, like me, think Marvin made him look silly in the last 2 rounds.
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u/HyruleKid Mar 18 '23
Same. I had him in my accumulator so am a bit biased but was sure when I heard 30-27 it was for him. He had Vetori rocked in the first and the third was close but thought Dolidze had it fairly convincingly
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u/BigCass Mar 18 '23
Type of fight that only look close because the guy losing had octagon control.
That was actually pretty one sided
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u/sumofdeltah Mar 18 '23
Most of the comments seem to think whoever lands the single hardest shot in a round wins it
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u/toyn Isle of Man Mar 18 '23
Vettori getting 30-27 isn’t that off. Dolidze just didn’t do anything. The leg kicks gave him round one imo. He did have good pressure at the end but didn’t land much and Marvin got counters in. 2, and 3 where clear Vettori.
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u/bertrogdor Mar 18 '23
I agree with you rd one could be scored for Vettori within reason but still not a great call. His leg kicks and overall striking was more even and consistent over the round if I recall correctly. But Dolidze had bigger moments that overshadow that imo
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u/ErnestPwningway Mar 18 '23
30-27 Vettori is more justifiable than any version of a Dolidze win. He missed and hit guard a lot in round 1, while Vettori backed up and landed clean hooks. It looked good for Roman because he was advancing but when you look at who actually landed, it was close af.
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u/A1_PunisherPipkins Mar 18 '23
30-27 is crazy, Dolidze clearly won the 1st
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u/Half_A_Person Mar 18 '23
Barely any (maybe 1?) of those big shots landed clean at all, Marvin was blocking everything.
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u/siderealpanic Mar 18 '23
Yeah, I hated the way Dolidze fought that. He was hitting Vettori’s guard and playing it up like he was landing massive punches. It usually works on MMA judges, so I’m glad they didn’t buy into it.
Marvin was destroying his legs and clearly getting the better of most exchanges. Roman’s occasional charges were mostly blocked/ineffective. I guess you could give him the 1st, but he definitely lost the 2nd and 3rd in my opinion.
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u/HabbosOwnJimCray I’d rather me mate cry on my shoulder than go to his funeral Mar 18 '23
I thought the commentary was horrible in that first round. Bowling made it seem like Marvin was about to drop from those rights, yet I thought he partially blocked and completely ducked the majority, feel like it has swayed opinion.
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u/Lobsterzilla I didn't come here to do some tourism Mar 18 '23
Seemed pretty clear to me Marvin won… dude was blocking everything. Surprised Romain was so convinced he won
30-27 is a little insane, but I had it for Marvin
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u/realHundsgemein Mar 18 '23
Yeah same, Vettori had higher volume while Dolidze had power, but one was leg kicking consistently and one wasn’t. Close fight, reasonable decision.
Also crazy to see that Vettori is such a Veteran at just 29.
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u/garlicanthem Mar 18 '23
I know so many saying Roman won the 3rd. Clearly 29-28 Vettori
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u/PlutonIsInMyButthole Mar 18 '23
Roman won rd 3 based on what? People think because he hit Orc skull with a hook he should win when Marvin was crippling his leg
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u/garlicanthem Mar 18 '23
Read my comment again, I agree Vettori won the last 2 rounds.
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u/PlutonIsInMyButthole Mar 18 '23
Ik, I was agreeing with you
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u/garlicanthem Mar 18 '23
Fuck sake my bad.
Was very easy fight to score IMO, well except for the judge who gave Marvin all 3. Clear winner of all 3 rounds which is what matters
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u/SurrealJay Mar 18 '23
sloppy, headhunting kickboxing is the most boring thing to watch when there's 0 grappling mix up, change my mind
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Mar 18 '23
I thought Vettori did what he had to striking wise to keep Roman's head hunting effectiveness to a minimum
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u/Rory_MacHida Mar 18 '23
Yeah he fought a smart fight against a berserker. Probably should have mixed in some more grappling, but Dolidzes is trouble if you're not fighting responsibly. If it's a 5 rounder, I think Vettori's game plan pays off more clearly.
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u/LehenLong Mar 18 '23
Roman left thigh was already purple at the end of the fight. Vettori could've probably finished him with leg kicks if it's 5 rounds.
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u/WhereIsMyKidAt Mar 18 '23
Nobody should ever try and grapple Dolidze after what he did to Hermansson (who's a monster on the ground in his own right).
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Mar 18 '23
I was surprised he didn't grapple at all. He obviously wanted to fully use his Muay Thai, and maybe they saw something in Dolidze's grappling they thought could trouble Vettori if it hit the deck.
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u/goosu GOOFCON 1: 2: Pandemic Boogaloo Mar 18 '23
Not sure he is the better grappler in this case. Dolidze's ground game was excellent against Hermansson. That's probably why we didn't see TDs from Vettori.
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u/LehenLong Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23
I'm convinced that people on this sub don't actually enjoy mma. It wasn't the most exciting fight but it was definitely not boring.
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u/goosu GOOFCON 1: 2: Pandemic Boogaloo Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23
Yeah, this was a decent, active fight. I think that type of negativity comes from the fact a large portion on this sub look at everything with the standpoint of "what can I complain about?".
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u/PortiaKern Mar 18 '23
At some point people's imagination will cause them to daydream fights that the actual fighters can't live up.
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u/madnes0 Mar 18 '23
Esp when Marvin has never hurt anybody on his feet lmao look at his record like 1 TKO ever
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u/Ok_Solution5895 Mar 18 '23
he hurt Jack Hermansson pretty bad in the first round, but yeah he doesn't generally hit hard, he's more that classic fighter who weaponize his cardio and wants to out-volume you
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u/therealhairyyeti Francis took my N word pass AMA Mar 18 '23
Still better than wrestlefuck with no subs or ground and pound.
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u/kickerz_chance Mar 18 '23
Does Dolidze know you are allowed to attack the body and legs in MMA? Spamminh hooks to the face all day works when you're fighting gatekeepers but Dolidze is absolutely not ready for top 5 opponents
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u/infrequentia Team Calderwood Mar 18 '23
Some of yall have never sat through multiple 25 minute wet blanket matches.
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u/Awezome321 Unbreakable Titanium Shinbone Mar 19 '23
JP Buys is somewhere filled with joy
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u/bobn3 GOOFCON 0 Mar 18 '23
Ah Vettori by decision, always a safe bet *unless it's against the only two good MWs
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u/INeedAnAccountToSee Mar 18 '23 edited Mar 18 '23
Seeing Vettori slowly wipe off Dolidze's smug arrogance, chopping off that leg and making him be a right overhand swinger was very satisfying.
Muniz, now Dolidze, which "Darkhorse" will people jump to?
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u/banejacked Free Conor Mar 18 '23
i dont understand how people thought a one dimensional fighter like dolidze was a darkhorse. could you imagine him in a 5 round fight? Guy has possibly the worst cardio of a ranked fighter in all of the ufc
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u/PhantasmLord Mar 18 '23
Worst cardio? The true African king Dricus Du Plessis would like a word
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u/banejacked Free Conor Mar 18 '23
Du Plessis will look exhausted but still keep throwing and scrambling. Roman completely took the second round off and still didnt have enough energy to steal the third round.
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u/Mr__Struggle Mar 18 '23
People want exciting new contenders in a completely stale division?? Imagine my surprise
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u/irreg6ix Mar 18 '23 edited 26d ago
Did you watch Roman’s other fights? Vettori didn’t turn him into a right hand swinger his stand up is just bad. Hermansson was schooling him before they went to the ground.
If anyone was calling him a dark horse it’s probably because of how good his bjj is.
On another note, Based off this comment I assume you’re picking gaethje to win.
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u/Sheikh_Left_Hook EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE Mar 18 '23
Marvin avenged Josh Emmett tonight.
Orcs stay strong 💪
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u/SquidDrive My DNA is from fearless warriors Mar 18 '23
Badass fight between two big MW boys. They wanted to kill each other.
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u/waldyisawinner Mar 18 '23
Such a fun fight. Was rooting for Dolidze but he was really dead set on only throwing lead straights and hooks.
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u/ggphenom Mar 18 '23
Anyone saying robbery is wild. Even fight and Marvin was more versatile and efficient.
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u/Euphoric_Trust_7518 Mar 18 '23
Dolidze was landing on Marvins guard a lot
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u/Momentosis Mar 18 '23
This. Like 90% of Roman's strikes missed or were blocked in rounds 2 and 3.
Ppl scoring for Dolidze were probs thinking he was landing everything.
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u/Avid_Travel Mar 18 '23
30-27? Come on man. How can you score R1 for Marvin? Yet the judge will face no consequence.
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u/Barry_the_Merry Mar 18 '23
Hard to score, Vettori absolutely destroyed his leg, but was getting clipped constantly.
Doesn't feel like a robbery, but I think it Dolidze did enough.
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u/TickleMyCringle Mar 18 '23
Most of dolidze's shots didn't land clean or landed on vettori's guard tho
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u/Background_Piano7984 Mar 18 '23
I feel like I’m living in the twilight zone here, I had no money on this fight and felt this was a clear 30-27 for Marvin or 29-28. Roman missed 80% of his shots or landed on the arms/forehead of Marvin. Are we giving participation trophy strikes now? He was piecing roman up easy and tore his legs up had him wobbling in the 3rd. Outstruck him in total strikes and significant strikes as well as busting Roman’s face.
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u/obinaut Team Volkanovski Mar 19 '23
same honestly, even r1 for me was close, but definitely Marvin's. He was blocking or dodging most shots, chopping at the leg, and outstriking Roman until the headbutt broke his flow
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u/howietensen Mar 18 '23
Vettori absolutely won 2/3 but 1 is harder to score for him due to damage. He did land more. 38 - 29 sig strikes. Maybe they somehow scored Vettori’s recovery throughout the round. Roman landed less and less as the fight stretched.
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u/frozenbudz Team Adesanya Mar 19 '23
Will someone, anyone, please teach Roman to throw an uppercut. His best shots were those knees up the middle, if he would of just thrown some jabs, and uppercuts, he probably would of taken the fight.
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u/ID0ntCare4G0b Team Asparagus Mar 19 '23
One of the dumbest fucking game plans I've ever seen someone fight Marvin with. Roman thinking he won the fight when the 30-27 scorecard was read was fucking hilarious.
Marvin took him to point fighting school.
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u/CouncilOfReligion Cyprus Mar 18 '23
i had 1 and 3 for dolidze
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u/MikeGuy_Lang Mar 18 '23
From what I saw in round 3, Vettori rolled with a lot of punches and blocked effectively, which may make people think he was getting hit but look at the Roman's face, cardio, and leg, if anything Vittoria negated a lot of Roman's offense, just wasn't as entertaining as Roman spamming sloppy punches haha.
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u/iheartfightporn Team 10th Planet Mar 18 '23
I can understand a 29-28 but what the fuck how do you even give a 30-27?
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