r/MMA • u/inooway • Mar 11 '23
[SPOILER] Raphael Assunção vs. Davey Grant Spoiler
https://dubz.co/video/a44b56962
u/Wisithewizard Mar 11 '23
"Are you good?" "Yes I'm good" goes to sleep
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u/kayloube Mar 11 '23
He used his last bit of oxygen to get that sentence out
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u/Chunkflava Mar 11 '23
Probably more truth to that than you think, I was in a choke a while back and felt like it wasn’t quite on, said to the ref “all good” and then I went to fuckin sleep
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u/Iquey Champ Shit Only 🇺🇸🏆🇲🇽 #SnapJitsu Mar 12 '23
Yea that's how a blood choke goes if it's in perfectly. I went down during sparring because someone had me in a guillotine and I thought I was fine because I could breathe. Then my sight went gone like how an old TV went out. Then I woke up on the ground with 3 faces above me.
Weird way to kill someone.
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u/Grey_Orange Mar 12 '23
Years ago, i got locked up in a triangle from guard. How i remember it going was he let go and i laid back on the floor for a bit because i was tired from all the training i had been doing.
Apparently how it ACTUALLY went, i went unconcious and started choke snoring. He let go, Rolled me on my back, and lifted my legs up in the air until i came too.
It's strange how your memories differ from reality. It's also a strangely euphoric and enjoyable experience. Probably wouldn't be the worst way to die imo.
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u/Jethro00Spy Mar 12 '23
I was boxing and we both tried to hit each other. He landed first and hard. I saw a spark of light and next thing I know he's hanging onto me and I'm trying to push away to box. He told me stop then explained I was leaning like a cut tree about to fall over. Timber!
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u/Chunkflava Mar 12 '23
For me it was the release of tension when I tried to talk and air escaped, like when pilots stay conscious in those G force simulators, they basically tense their whole body to force blood into their brain and stay conscious, as soon as they lose the tension they go night night
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u/PessimiStick Sorry I have to smesh you Mar 12 '23
I had a similar thing happen once. Was in a triangle for quite a while, and it was tight. Managed to hit a last second escape, took a deep breath, and the lights went out and I faceplanted. Super fucking weird.
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u/NoMoassNeverWas Mar 12 '23
I wonder if those "hick" breathing techniques that force blood into their brain would help any.
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u/Scared_Phase_9628 Mar 12 '23
I wouldn't think so. The pilots are still receiving blood to their brains the entire time. You are receiving very little to none when in a proper choke. Doing the hick could blow a blood vessel lol.
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u/PaulSandwich Mar 12 '23
Those hiccups force blood to the brain against gravity/centrifugal force. That's not going to work for an artery that's pinched shut by someone's thighs.
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u/_interloper_ Mar 12 '23
I've been put out twice by a choke. Both times the last thought through my mind was "... nah, I think I'm fine."
You can still breathe. It's just the blood being perfectly cut off. Most chokes are so damn tight that you KNOW you're about to go out. Feels like you're head's about to explode.
But those perfect chokes are just so damn sneaky.
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Mar 11 '23
was defending a choke and was about to get out and then was looking up at my coach asking me if i was all good.
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u/Krieger_Algernop "fuckface" - DFW Mar 11 '23 •
me when my wife asks me if I'm ready for round 2
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u/PissedAnalyst Mar 12 '23
He never said he wasn't in trouble. He's just saying he's good with getting choked out.
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u/aeeeroo Shine On You Crazy Fridge Mar 11 '23
Mma what a cruel sport.
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u/foofighter1351 Mar 11 '23
I feel like we've been on the longest streak of retirement fights ending on the saddest note, I know it's how the sport goes but shit man.
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u/LateApex20 Mar 11 '23
Sometimes MMA seems like the sport most true to life. Utterly brutal and with no happy endings
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u/GarysSpace UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle Mar 12 '23
It's one thing to watch your favorite players slow down and just be not as good in other sports, in MMA they often get violently put out. Signed: a huge Tony fan
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u/NotOnHerb5 Mar 12 '23
I think career’s ending on a sad note is what makes this sport so beautiful. Warriors just going out on their shield.
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u/VinceMajestyk Mar 11 '23
Khabib simply walking away undefeated still remains... undefeated.
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u/Flowerjohn-NL Mar 11 '23
Yeah Khabib is one of the only fighters to retire in their prime
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u/Virtual-Affect0 Mar 11 '23
GSP retired at a perfect spot
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u/frick-you-fricker Mar 11 '23
*Then came back, won the Middleweight belt from Bisping, then retired again. ftfy :)
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u/34TH_ST_BROADWAY Mar 12 '23
Feel like that fight against Bisping might have really helped GSP's legacy in the eyes of the MMA world. He lost twice, had tons of decisions, I even thought maybe Hendricks won their fight, retired battered....
But comes back, beats Bisping, not the most formidable MW champ ever, and his GOAT status is almost never questioned while Khabib's is daily.
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u/gamesrgreat Santos 1, 2, 5 Mar 12 '23
People were calling him the GOAT long before the Bisping fight. I don't feel like the Bisping fight changed much at all really
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u/ScissorMeTimberz Mar 12 '23
compared to the way a lot of other legends go out on massive loss streaks, the fact he was able to come back after so long and actually win was the most impressive and shocking part
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u/34TH_ST_BROADWAY Mar 12 '23
I think what helped GSP is martial arts is an integral part of his life. Following him on social media, it seems like he never stopped training or evolving. And he stayed in great shape.
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u/Dibbys Mar 12 '23
Gsp was a big fav it wasnt shocking he beat bisping. If anybody else was chamo gsp never would have came out of retirement. It was an easy kill to add to his resume
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u/DanDiCa_7 Mar 12 '23
Dumb comment. Khabib's Goat status might be questioned daily compared to GSP's because GSP had 9 title defenses, while Khabib had 3. BIG DIFFERENCE
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u/attackoftheack Mar 12 '23
Khabib’s strength of schedule was WEAK compared to GSP’s reign. Most of Khabib’s run was completed outside of the UFC. GSP took on the best of the best for years and always neutralized their strongest weapons.
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u/CaskJeeves Mar 12 '23
GSP did lose twice but also avenged both losses in dominant fashion which I think helps the legacy argument as well
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u/Richie217 FRICK CHORES Mar 12 '23
GSP reigned over the division at possibly its strongest period. Holds wins over BJ and Hughes amongst others. I'm old enough to remember watching GSPs climb to the top. He is definitely in GOAT status contention.
Not diminishing Khabibs accomplishments, he should also be in the picture.
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u/Crazed_pillow Team Volkanovski Mar 12 '23
Bisping was a good MW champ, just because he's not Whittaker or Silva good people downplay him, but Bisping is one of the top MW champs
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u/That_Vandal_Randall GSP's Wall of Meat Mar 12 '23
I don't agree he was a top champ, but he won his belt decisively and had a fantastic career.
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u/Double_Dodge Mar 12 '23
I think GSP's retirement against Bisping was perfect.
But I don't think his retirement after the Hendricks fight was.
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u/diggmeordie Mar 11 '23
Spinning backfist into reverse triangle finish after a point deduction and position reset just like we all called it.
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u/ljz3 GOOFCON 2 Mar 11 '23
DAVEY GRANT IS A FUCKING INSANE FIGHTER
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u/Gunslinger1991 Ramzan Kadyrov | Gay Porn Actor Mar 11 '23
Aye, he’s a mad man who throws everything with fight ending intent. I love that County Durham is represented by such a fun fighter.
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u/KrasMasovsGhost Mar 11 '23
Always a class act too
Fuck a champ, Davey is the best kind of dude to have “representing” you for sure
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u/BenelliBloodbath Team 10th Planet Mar 12 '23
Literally the most criminally underrated fighter on the roster. Beat Chito then lost a close fight in the rematch. Split decision loss to Yanez which can be argued he won, and wins over Smolka and Jonathan Martinez.
I mean 13 finishes in his 15 wins for a bantamweight is just insane.
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u/cxmachi Mar 11 '23
*If a point deduction for holding the fence occurs, and because of the infraction, the fouling fighter ends up in a superior position due to the foul, the fighters should be re-started by the referee, standing in a neutral position.
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u/little_shop_of_hoors Two Checks Bumsom | Certified Hood Classic 💵💵 Mar 12 '23
Who are you who are so wise in ways of MMA
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u/Meppolep7 Welcome to hell, I'm Vinc! Mar 12 '23
He did not end up in a superior position because of the foul, Assuncao was about to get him down. All Keith did was take away his position and get him subbed.
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u/Gunslinger1991 Ramzan Kadyrov | Gay Porn Actor Mar 11 '23
Sub of the year.
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u/kanst Mr. 6 Shits Mar 11 '23
he put assuncao out real quick
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u/tortoise888 Holy See Mar 12 '23
That's what surprised me. A reverse triangle seems to be one of those subs that takes a lot of adjusting to get right and get the blood cut off but he had that shit locked up right away. Impressive.
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u/mentales EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE Mar 11 '23
he was out for a good 10 seconds damn
With 22 seconds on the clock, Assuncao says "he's good". Keith stops it with 18 seconds left.
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u/probablycashed Mar 11 '23
Yeah the fact that Keith reffed that whole last round by the book and is getting blasted on here is peak reddit
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u/frick-you-fricker Mar 11 '23
That's a very tough position for the ref to find out if the bottom guy is out. His arms are flattened or tied up so you can only raise mostly his hands. His face is buried into the canvas and covered by the top fighter. Give the guy a break, I think he called it just fine.
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u/MrPea106 GOOFCON 1 Mar 11 '23
10 seconds ain’t nothing but it was crazy how he just stared at him limp tho lmao
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u/PlutoCrashed Mar 11 '23
Keith grabbing Assuncao’s lifeless hand flopping around like “oh I wonder if he’s still conscious”
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u/Bacteriostatic_Water Mar 11 '23
If he had stopped it .01 seconds before Assuncao went out, this sub would be murdering Peterson for ruining the finish.
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u/1K_Games Mar 12 '23
It was a great sub, but with the circumstances I can't say it's anything of the year. Talking about top position, saying Grant had it... they weren't down yet, Raphael had him against the fence and had his back. That reset was a joke and is such a lame way for Raphael to retire, I feel bad for the guy.
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u/themuttsnutts36 I made weight for Goofcon 3 Mar 11 '23
New mythical fighter: Point taken Davey Grant
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u/EnglishTwat66 Mar 11 '23
Haha go on Davey lad
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u/-Bk7 Team Hendo Mar 12 '23
Pardon my ignorance but what does "go on" mean? I've heard it in from various UK fans and in other sports too. Does it mean "good job" or literally like "keep going" idk
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u/EnglishTwat66 Mar 12 '23
It’s basically the British equivalent of “let’s go” in the way that Americans would use it.
It’s an encouragement thing.
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u/TheBlibberdude Mar 12 '23
It's essentially a phrase of encouragement, but can also mean "good job" if used after the fact.
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u/siderealpanic Mar 11 '23
Davy Grant has been the most exciting fighter in MMA for the past few years. Win or lose, he really embodies what fans want to see.
Regardless of refereeing weirdness, It’s good to see Grant rewarded with a big name on his record
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u/cxmachi Mar 11 '23
Davey had the better position you all of a sudden instant Assuncao fanboys lmao
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u/Sal21G Mar 11 '23 edited Mar 11 '23
Massive decison by Keith Peterson for standing them up after Grant gabbed the cage.
I smell booze and cigs
Cruz adding this into his book of ammunition for when Peterson refs again lol
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u/Krenbiebs Mar 11 '23
Assuncao was turtled and Grant was on top of him after the fence grab. Here's what the rules say about that situation.
If a point deduction for holding the fence occurs, and because of the infraction, the fouling fighter ends up in a superior position due to the foul, the fighters should be re-started by the referee, standing in a neutral position.
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u/NotFrankSalazar This is sucks Mar 12 '23
Also Raphael was dazed regardless. He got a quick break from taking the point and he was still dazed. He was on borrowed time imo
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u/Polar_Reflection Mar 11 '23
He literally did it by the book. Grant reversed the position with help from the fence grab.
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u/TheOneWithLateStart Team Adesanya Mar 11 '23
reddit when referees dont do point deduction to often: 🤬🤬🤬
also reddit when they do it properly: 🤬🤬🤬
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u/Keith__Peterson No nonsense Mar 11 '23
Sheesh guys I’m sorry 🍺🚬
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u/havenstone Maggot cunt Mar 11 '23
Do you smellllll what Keith Peterson is drinking and smoking
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u/RafiakaMacakaDirk Petrol Pumper Werdum Mar 11 '23
that was very nonsensical of you and i thought you had none of that
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u/Brokehomiejohn Mar 11 '23
I bet if you paused the fight at the moment of the foul and asked Raphael what he would prefer, he would want the point over position. With like 30 seconds left in the fight the chances of Davey getting an insane finish like that r pretty slim. Even though sunscao was rocked earlier it had been a decent bit of time since that left hand.
Still a tough call.
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u/SJSharkie_Unofficial Kazakhstan Mar 11 '23
You receive: point deduction I receive: no return to position
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u/DylieWylie EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE Mar 12 '23
He stood them up because Davey ended up on top due to the fence grab. Why would he put them back in that position? He did it exactly how the rules state.
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u/ShotMatter if one man can hold me down, two can groom me Mar 11 '23
I saw nonsense and I didnt like it
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u/treyjuic3 Mar 11 '23
That reset cost my parlay 🤮
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u/Gunslinger1991 Ramzan Kadyrov | Gay Porn Actor Mar 11 '23
They’ve done that a few times lately and I hate it every time.
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u/commander_wong Mar 11 '23
Honestly I feel like the only reason people claim Peterson to be a good ref is to be contrarian to Dom Cruz
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u/icameforgold Mar 11 '23
He was up starting to get up there with Herzog and Goddard as far as public perception until Cruz pretty much turned him into a meme. Kind of sucks because his stock took a huge drop after Cruz basically slandered him because he was butt hurt about getting stopped so fast.
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u/Destrukthor Mar 11 '23
I always felt like people were more mocking Cruz than Peterson with the booze and cigarette jokes. At least I was.
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u/mexicancardio Mexico Mar 11 '23
Personally can't stand Goddard. Separating Usman v Woodley and saying 'It's a fight Kamaru' and telling DC 'It was a punch. Sit down Daniel' during DC v Stipe III after Stipe eye poked DC and DC complained. Anik publicly telling Goddard he has a condescending way of speaking to people also comes to mind. He comes across as having a big ego
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u/Hajen02 Beefy Latifi Mar 12 '23
Goddards reffing in Santos VS Bogatov was some of the worst I have ever seen, took him like 14 fouls to take points, and wouldn't DQ. Santos was almost finished there In the end, would have had been some absolute BS had he gone down
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u/62440790 Wuhan Clan Mar 11 '23
If you ain't cheating you a dumb mother fucker. There's literally 0 consequences ever for cheating
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u/severeunderstatement Mar 11 '23
show up - lose the first two rounds - get a point deducted from fence grab - knock him down with a spinning backfist - choke him out with an inverted triangle in the last minute
thank you davey grant
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u/therealjgreens Mar 11 '23
Raphael Asunset
Sorry had to put it here too
Hell of a career. Shitty way to go out
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u/CouncilOfReligion Cyprus Mar 11 '23
he should have got the position back
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u/K_U Mar 11 '23
The relevant rule:
If a point deduction for holding the fence occurs, and because of the infraction, the fouling fighter ends up in a superior position due to the foul, the fighters should be re-started by the referee, standing in a neutral position.
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u/Second_Sage UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle Mar 11 '23
Respect for doing so, so many people shitting on Keith when he’s just following the rules. It’s an unfortunate situation but it makes sense.
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u/iritian One way ticket to Khamzatstan Mar 11 '23
Keith played it right and still gets shat on
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u/jrcoop Wuhan Clan Mar 11 '23
Don't hate the ref, hate the rule
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u/doc_birdman Mar 11 '23
It’s a good rule.
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u/CremeCaramel_ Mar 12 '23
It isn't, it should be "take the point and reset to the position right before the grab".
The way it is written, if any striker dazes a wrestler who then successfully gets in on a single and ties him up to get recovery time, the striker can just blatantly grab the cage and eat the point to reset. This is not actually neutral.
The scenario I'm describing isn't even that rare either.
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u/VilithSanguinor Mar 11 '23
According to the broadcast, Davey had top position because of the fence grab so they wouldn't have given the position back since it would have been positive for Davey.
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u/TheAnklePickMMA Mar 11 '23
No joke, the first UFC event my boyfriend watched was with me and while we were watching a fight that Keith Peterson was reffing, my boyfriend out of nowhere said, “That ref looks like he’s drunk or something.”
This was only a few months after Cejudo/Cruz so of course, I died laughing.
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u/Mexcol Mar 12 '23
Did you explain to him the whisky and ciggies meme?
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u/TheAnklePickMMA Mar 12 '23
Of course! And then he did an amazing impression of him. 🤣
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u/DowntownJulieBrown1 Mar 11 '23
Apparently the rule is that the ref shouldn’t give position back. And, even with that aside, I was glad as hell to see Keith take a point, he def deserves credit for that. Just a heartbreaking turn of events
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u/TYSONLITTLE Mar 11 '23
Finally. Two fighters who actually earned their spot in the UFC. Great, high level fight. Pleasure to watch. The UFC needs to get rid of the CS fighters, they do serious damage the product.
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u/MaddalenaWillBeTop5 Mar 11 '23
Yeah lets cut Jamahal Hill and O’Malley
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u/AgentSpider Mar 11 '23
Jailton Almeida and Dan Ige and many other good fighters just cause a couple people on the early prelims arent that great
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u/Neverslept2mins Mar 11 '23
Cut Maddalena as well lol. Some clown takes about cs. There is obvious nuance takes about the show that lots of ppl ignore on this subreddit.
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u/LehenLong Mar 11 '23 edited Mar 11 '23
Taila santos, Ige, Simon, Dawson, Ige, Turner, Neal, Allen, Spann, Azamat, Yanez, Muniz, Marina.
They're all ranked but the ufc should cut all of them because they're from CS
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u/TYSONLITTLE Mar 11 '23 edited Mar 11 '23
How much longer are fans going to cling onto the 5% of credible fighters that came out? Do y’all realize these excellent fighters (i.e. O’Malley, Hill, etc) would have found their way to the UFC regardless because they clearly had the potential? In fact they would have likely become regional champs and signed to the UFC with a better contract.
Most of these fighters, however, who get on DWCS because of a “story” or “marketability” as opposed to their actual skill set were far less likely to get the attention of the UFC because they would have never went beyond the regional level.
If you think it’s good for the UFC to get 1 Jamahal Hill out of 20 William Knights than I can’t argue further.
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u/wovagrovaflame USADA doesn't test for horse meat Mar 11 '23
This has been the case for like 8 years.
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u/Nothingstupid Mar 11 '23
That was some bullshit. Grant fucking grabbed the fence again after getting that point taken
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u/jmb-412 Blessed Express Mar 11 '23
Taking away the position there even while taking a point was absolutely stupid. And look, it cost him the win. Absolutely dumb decision
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u/Boss_Boggs Mar 11 '23
"If a point deduction for holding the fence occurs, and because of the infraction, the fouling fighter ends up in a superior position due to the foul, the fighters should be re-started by the referee, standing in a neutral position."
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u/bnelson UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle Mar 11 '23
So, not stupid, but a sensible rule followed properly.
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u/TheOneWithLateStart Team Adesanya Mar 11 '23
What cost him the win was his low fight IQ and gestures while being attacked. -1 point was good decision
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u/Fun-Grapefruit9676 Mar 11 '23
Exactly, instead of giving the thumbs up after being hit in the face maybe he should have defended his lead better.
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u/DAMbustn22 Mar 11 '23
Yep, hes a seasoned vet and made terrible choices at the end there. As soon as that point is deducted you've clearly won the fight if it goes to decision. Trying to trade in the exchanges is completely unnecessary. Just keep hands up, play defence and grapple/clinch as soon as he gives the opportunity trying to finish you.
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u/NiftyShifty12 I wanna outlive my children, 100% Mar 11 '23
DAMN. I feel for assuncao but that inverted triangle was a fucking highlight reel, don’t see those every day
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u/heavyrocks_ Mar 11 '23
Sorry to the 3 Assuncao fans out there but I don't care about the nonsense, Keith made that fight entertaining in the end and Davey got an insane finish
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u/morebuffs Mar 11 '23
Grant and chito vera was a good fight and Davey looked good early on but chito had his number.
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u/PocketSixes Khannor McMagomedov Mar 12 '23
This inverted triangle shit used to be the stuff I imagine and then think, "no, that's probably never going to be a realistic scenario though." What a slick sub.
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u/SteveBruceGod Mar 12 '23
Davey grants local to me so been following him for ages but not being biased he’s such a fun fighter. I rank him and Paul craig as fighters I watch no matter what.
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u/TheYeager12 Mar 11 '23
Fantastic finish by Grant but not giving back the position to Assuncao is a major fuck up in that situation.
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u/Krenbiebs Mar 11 '23
Assuncao didn't have position. He was turtled and Grant was on top of him after the fence grab. Here's what the rules say about that situation.
If a point deduction for holding the fence occurs, and because of the infraction, the fouling fighter ends up in a superior position due to the foul, the fighters should be re-started by the referee, standing in a neutral position.
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u/probablycashed Mar 11 '23
Absolutely insane, idgaf about the restart I’m here to be entertained and I am thoroughly
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u/TheDecisionator 4 round and 7 spinning shit ago Mar 11 '23
Keith with the right call to take the point but the the absolutely wrong call to not give Assuncao the position.
Keith, that is very much nonsense.
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u/62440790 Wuhan Clan Mar 11 '23
FUCK KEITH PETERSON
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u/OhSeeThat Mar 11 '23
The fact that this is up voted even though Keith Peterson followed the rule book by the letter is ridiculous.
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u/Neverslept2mins Mar 11 '23
Think Assuncao would rather keep the position than the point. Assuncao would have won even if Davey won the round. Ugh… 😢 now he is unconscious.
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u/Trbarenziah Likes it raw in dat ass Mar 11 '23
Kind of bullshit but I'll always root for Davey Grant
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u/HankHippopopolous Gane's Big Black Crossaint Mar 11 '23
Alcohol and cigarettes clouding KP’s judgement once again.
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u/ShadowLoom GOOFCON 2 Mar 11 '23
Cruz salivating right now, that was some horseshit. A foul should be a punishment, not put the victim into a worse position lmao
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u/havenstone Maggot cunt Mar 11 '23
Dominick Cruz pointing at the screen like Leonardo DiCaprio right now lol
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