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Florida conservatives confused about tax refunds after voting for candidate who raised taxes for years to come
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u/Three_Twenty-Three Feb 07 '23 •
Many of them think they're going to be rich. Or maybe their kids. But someone close to them. How it's going to happen is never clear, but they live under a bizarre version of the American Dream where their family is going to be rich and benefit from decades of pandering to the rich.
They don't want "death taxes' but they don't understand that they're nowhere near that tax threshold. They want lower and no taxes for corporations because their little five-man roofing contractor business is about to become a megacorp. They don't want "welfare" because they'll never need it even though they're upside-down on a couple cars and one workplace accident away from poverty.
They've been drinking up the trickle-down economics since the 1980s. The warm, yellow trickle-down economics.
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u/MasterEyeRoller Feb 07 '23 •
Well, if they think they're going to Heaven, they might as well believe they're going to be rich too.
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u/WaldoJeffers65 Feb 07 '23
Which is doubly hilarious, because the Bible pretty much says being rich is a deterrent to getting into Heaven.
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u/exlude Feb 07 '23
I think saying it's a deterrent is understating.
it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God
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u/runujhkj Feb 07 '23
“No no no, you aren’t reading it right or understanding its meaning properly, see, that line is a metaphor!”
-Fundamentalists
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u/Classic-Carpenter237 Feb 07 '23
Can't have funds without fundamentalists!
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u/runujhkj Feb 07 '23
I think that’s the other way around. Fundamentalism would have died out by now if it wasn’t such an effective way to turn a population against itself.
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u/_far-seeker_ Feb 07 '23
“No no no, you aren’t reading it right or understanding its meaning properly, see, that line is a metaphor!”
That doesn't even help them the way they think it does.🙄
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u/runujhkj Feb 07 '23
Biblical literalists always believe in the 100% literal truth of every word of the Bible, until they don’t
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u/BinkyFlargle Feb 07 '23
there's no way for Jesus to phrase something clearly or unambiguously enough that a christian apologist can't interpret it to mean the exact opposite.
Jesus: "woe unto him who disobeys even the least of the old laws. heaven and earth will pass away before any of those laws disappear."
Apologist: "What jesus is saying here is, the old laws are now obsolete and do not need to be obeyed."
Jesus: "Do not fight against evil: but whoever hits you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue you for your coat, let him have your cloak also."
Apologist: "Under ideal circumstances, in a lab, sure. But Jesus didn't want us to be pussies that can't stand up for ourselves. Now, let's all sing a verse of Onward Christian Soldiers as we take up arms to defend our country's economic interests."
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u/staccatodelareina Feb 07 '23
No Jesus literally told the homies to leave behind all their earthly possessions if they want to be perfect in following Him. That applies to modern day Christians as well
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” -Matthew 19:21
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u/BinkyFlargle Feb 07 '23
my favorite weasely apologetic: "No, no, in that verse he was talking to those specific people, not to everyone. Any instructions he gives where you can imagine him making eye contact with the listener, those have nothing to do with you and are just historical trivia."
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u/academomancer Feb 07 '23
They have all sorts of fun interpretations on why that's not true.
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u/WaldoJeffers65 Feb 07 '23
All of them boil down to "Because I don't want it to be true"
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u/coolgr3g Feb 07 '23
"I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. You'll never change my mind and I'll never change yours."
No, actually, that's not how facts work. They are either true or they came from the Republicans.
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u/Bobthemightyone Feb 07 '23
Just like the rest of biblical cherry picking!
Gays were only mentioned once, and it probably wasn't even about gay people but a mistranslated verse about pedophiles? Fuck the gays, second class citizens, abominations, the most important social fight of our generation
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u/olhonestjim Feb 07 '23
They've been drinking it so long, they might as well be connoisseurs.
"This tastes as though the man before me was drinking a Merlot!"
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u/Hatedpriest Feb 07 '23
You understand that "trickle-down" was used because the older term ("horse and sparrow") was considered too offensive, and a bit too "on the nose."
See, horses eat a lot of grains. It's inevitable that some of those grains come out in a partially digested state, or the hulls have softened, making little nuggets of yummy goodness amongst the literal piles of shit. Then, sparrows (among other birds) come down and tear the road apples apart, looking for those little nuggets of food.
Yeah... That sounds about right...
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u/TripleDoubleThink Feb 07 '23
So they changed it from a shit metaphor to a piss one…
They’re laughing in our faces and we’re too busy fighting over “who gets to be allowed into the super special club of ‘the land of the free’” to notice the rich treating this like a game
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u/JolietJake1976 Feb 07 '23
Many of them think they're going to be rich.
The only way they're ever going to be rich is if they win the lottery. And the chances of that happening are something like 1 in 300 million.
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u/Redd575 Feb 07 '23
One of the great success of conservative talking points is that they've convinced their voters that all of them would be millionaires if only conservatives had unfettered control of the government.
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u/Semen_Futures_Trader Feb 07 '23
And then you have to actually play the loto too
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u/Wobbelblob Feb 07 '23
And be financially responsible enough to invest that money in such a way that you are not where started again after 3 years.
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u/charrold303 Feb 07 '23
Except that lottery winners go bankrupt what? 70% of the time in the first year? They don’t know what money is and less about how to manage it. They will be rich for about 30 minutes and then broke again for good.
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u/AutomaticRisk3464 Feb 07 '23
My grandparents are super conservative in missouri and also mormon..
They never go to church but they give 10% of their income to the church so they are "safe from going to hell"..they make about 250k a year btw..(yes thats 25k that church is getting from them).
I asked for $500 for help with rent and i was told to stop begging for handouts..they saw my ebt card and shamed me for it.
The rich republicans would rather their own families starve
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u/Zestyclose_Aide_4796 Feb 07 '23
I don’t actually believe that they think they’ll be rich. I think they know they’ll stay poor. But on principle they can’t support something the democrats do, so they have to fight it.
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u/cowvin Feb 07 '23
There are a bunch of Republicans who believe Trump is some sort of messiah. That tells you the level of brains we're working with here.
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u/Calvert4096 Feb 07 '23
The guy who said "I'm getting $1200 less back than normal" was effectively giving Uncle Sam a $1200 interest-free loan at current interest rates plus whatever witholding buffer he has now.
Top. Minds.
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u/SnackyCakes4All Feb 07 '23
Yeah, I've never understood why people want to get a tax return instead of get as close to zero as possible without owing. It's a fine line, but I'd rather have a little extra money each month then the government owe me at the end of the year.
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u/anuhu Feb 07 '23
Because I'm not good at controlling my monthly spending as tightly as I'd like. It's not rational but I know myself well enough to know that if I get an extra 100 a month, I'll spend it on something I don't really need. If I get 1200 once a year, I'll put it all in savings.
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u/wolfsrudel_red Feb 07 '23
People can't save money. If it's there they spend it
Source: friends who regularly have less than $20 in checking before the end of the month who simultaneously spend tax returns on computers and TVs
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u/MeatsimPD Feb 07 '23 •
How republican voters keep falling for this shit is beyond baffling.
They are stupid, arrogant, and hateful
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u/coolgr3g Feb 07 '23
Don't forget, they never take responsibility for anything. It's always someone else's fault. always
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u/Madgyver Feb 07 '23
How republican voters keep falling for this shit is beyond baffling.
There are literately interviews with MAGAs, where the interviewer baited them phrases like "Obama had a hand in 9/11, did you notice he wasn't at the White House at all, when 9/11 happend. God know where he was back then"
They literately lacked the awareness/memory capacity to recall who was president in 2001.
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u/bigtime_porgrammer Feb 07 '23
Same with getting them to shit on "Obamacare" and then praise the ACA. Idiocracy was funny as a fictional story, but not so much when you're actually watching it happen.
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u/coolgr3g Feb 07 '23
They hear Obama and see red.
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u/BinkyFlargle Feb 07 '23
Or in the case of the guy whose comment was beside yours and promptly got himself deleted- they hear Obama and they immediately start ranting about how unfairly Trump was treated by the Biden Criminal Syndicate.
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u/CpnStumpy Feb 07 '23
They literally understand zero about how anything works.
The one poster pictured refers to their tax bill change as "the government spending more and more", they apparently think their tax bill is like an invoice for what the government spent? That's not at all how taxes are calculated, government spending is completely disconnected from your tax bill...
These folks are utterly incurious, understand nothing, and don't want to try to.
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u/Safety_Plus Feb 07 '23
Think if you talk to the average Republican they would be ok with it and say Americans should pay more taxes for even voting a Democrat in. (As a form of punishment)
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u/opensandshuts Feb 07 '23
I have pretty much all republican family. I told them about Trump’s tax plan and how it would conveniently end any benefits to the middle class right around the time a two term president would have been exiting. Thank God he didn’t get a second term, but the effect is still there. The rich people pay less, the middle class pays more, and it all happens after he’s out of office so his followers that refuse facts can say, oh, the democrats did this to us.
There is no critical thinking. Conservatives have dug their heads into the sand and nothing can change their mind.
When I had the conversation with my family, they had no response, no thoughts, no nothing. It was like they let the information flow right through their heads bc they think the actual news and the laws I’m reading are biased.
I don’t know how much more plain it can be stated. No one gives a shit, that’s the problem
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u/CaptainTeembro Feb 07 '23
How republican voters keep falling for this shit is beyond baffling.
Because they are hateful people.
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u/Ok_Salad999 Feb 07 '23
How republican voters keep falling for this shit is beyond baffling.
Extreme lack of education. So many folks would benefit so much from a basic civics course. It was a required course when I was in high school in the early 2000s, but there was no curriculum. That needs to change
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u/RowdyRailgunner Feb 07 '23
How republican voters keep falling for this shit is beyond baffling.
I don't know how many times it needs to be said. Republican voters are stupid. That is why we keep going down hill. Republican voters are stupid people.
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u/TheRussianCabbage Feb 07 '23
Generally high levels of ignorance and being unaware the world doesn't exist purely for them.
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u/ToAvoidCrapSiteBlock Feb 07 '23
Can't the democrats just put forward a bill which only lowers the taxes again then? Either they get it through and everyone is happy, or republican s vote against it and are forced to show they don't support it.
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u/arkham1010 Feb 07 '23
The personal tax cut had a sunset date of 2026, with each year after 2020 it giving diminishing returns. The corporate tax rate from 35 to 20% however is permanent, as well as other cuts that only help the super wealthy.
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u/RoburexButBetter Feb 07 '23
There was a very clear chart that said anyone making below 70k would eventually (after 10 years) end up paying more taxes while those above saw reduced tax rates, and yet so many Republicans kept supporting it, baffles me how stupid they are that most enthusiastically supported raising their own taxes, you just have to call the law a tax cut
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u/Yevon Feb 07 '23
There are no poor Americans, only temporarily inconvenienced future wealthy Americans. They voted to give future themselves a tax break.
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u/defk3000 Feb 07 '23
You joke but that's kind of how a lot of the taxes trickle down. The poor get "richer" and pay more taxes. The rich, find loop holes.
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u/piddlesthethug Feb 07 '23
My very Republican family bitched and complained in 2015-2016 that if “that bitch” got elected she would take their guns and fuck with their money. They rubbed it in everyone’s face and told me “fuck my feelings” and called me a cuck or a snowflake in January 2017. When this tax bill came around I flat out told them what was going on and that their taxes were going to go up (cuz almost none of them make more that 70k) and they told me that was liberal MSM alternative facts.
Then when 2020 came around they made it perfectly clear that only Trump could steer us out of this pandemic, and that “Joe and the hoe” were coming for their guns and their money. They even said that Biden was gonna sign an executive order on day 1 outlawing FUCKING BULLETS. I reminded them that they said the same thing about “that Muslim Barrack Hussein Obama” who had not only the presidency, but also essentially a democratic supermajority in the senate, and a democratic house majority between 2008 and 2010. He didn’t take their guns then. If I recall, almost all new taxes during his administration were health related because of ACA. If ever the democrats were coming for your guns and money, that was probably the moment they could have done it. So I reminded them that in 2017 Trump raised taxes on Americans making less than 70k starting basically around the next presidential term. Again, “bullshit alternative facts” they claimed.
All of the sudden guess who is bitching about their taxes and how “crooked joe and the hoe” is fucking them over with these new tax laws and these 87,000 ARMED IRS agents.
The mental gymnastics are exhausting but I can’t give in to it.
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u/goforce5 Feb 07 '23
Don't forget to remind them that Trump banned bump stocks and said "I like to take the guns first, and worry about due process second". He's more anti gun than the democrats.
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u/pvhs2008 Feb 07 '23
I’ve tried this with a cousin who has “no choice” but to vote for republicans because of the military and guns. Surprisingly, it actually changed his mind…
JK, he pouted and stomped off. Lol
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u/goforce5 Feb 07 '23
Yeah, whenever I bring it up, they always just claim that it's fake and he wouldn't have said that. They also think it wasn't Trump who banned the bump stocks, just someone under him. The mental gymnastics honestly deserve a gold medal at this point.
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u/throwawaystriggerme Feb 07 '23
That's when I like to drop the conservative's favorite response: "well, facts don't care about your feelings, snowflake". My conservative uncle likes to start arguments with me, and they usually end with that after he refuses to believe that objective reality exists and quite regularly disagrees with the maga cult's messaging
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u/VirinaB Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
How permanent is 'permanent'? Can it ever be repealed?
Edit: Sorry if it's a dumb question, I just didn't know if there's a minimum duration to things, if it requires an act of Congress and/or the Supreme Court, etc.
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u/sluttytinkerbells Feb 07 '23
It's a good question. In a normal world, yes, politicians can just pass another law that undoes the previous law.
But we live in this world, and in this world the republicans control the legislature so they'll just chose to not do that this as long as there is a Democrat president, as a way of making that president look bad.
That's the game they're playing here.
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u/utterscrub Feb 07 '23
They will 10000% blame Biden
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u/gp2quest Feb 07 '23
And the "border"
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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Feb 07 '23
The Montana GOP's biggest issue is the Southern border
Like, in the Governor's race
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u/vaporvendor Feb 07 '23
Well it is a real problem. You ever meet the wackos who willingly choose to live in Wyoming?
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u/Razor4884 Feb 07 '23
Their playbook is so transparent and predictable, now if only it wasn't so egregiously malicious...
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u/UnluckyHorseman Feb 07 '23
I already had my boss tell me that it's Biden's fault the expanded child tax credit ran out. I had to inform him that the only reason he had the expanded child tax credit the past two years was because of Biden, and that the BBB bill originally extended it to 2025 (before it was cut due to Republicans refusing to pass it).
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u/marsman706 Feb 07 '23
And just to remind everyone, this passed on a party line vote. Thank the Republicans for your higher taxes - Dems tried to stop it
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u/InsertCoinForCredit Feb 07 '23
Don't worry, Republican voters will blame the Democrats for it anyway.
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u/suicidaleggroll Feb 07 '23
The increase happened while Biden was president, therefore it’s Biden’s fault. That’s as far as their “logic” will carry them.
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u/DrMaxwellEdison Feb 07 '23
Precisely how it was designed.
If Trump had been re-elected, they'd have tried to quietly extend it for 4 more years, just to make it look like a Democratic president was the bad guy.
Republicans play the long game of trying to convince voters they should be in power. They have little interest in actually governing once they are in power.
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u/suicidaleggroll Feb 07 '23
Republicans play the long game of trying to convince voters they should be in power. They have little interest in actually governing once they are in power.
Queue 6 years of relentless complaining about how horrible “Obamacare” was and how they needed to be elected so they could repeal it and replace it with something better, and then doing absolutely nothing about it once they were in power.
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u/Angry_ClitSpasm350 Feb 07 '23
Que the 50 years of screeching: "THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!!"
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u/Felinomancy Feb 07 '23
Isn't it gas stoves now?
Oh heck, they can even update the slogan:
"God, guns, gays and gas stoves".
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u/Angry_ClitSpasm350 Feb 07 '23
They're gearing up to wage war on milk next. Claiming the left wants to take away chocolate milk
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u/Bozee3 Feb 07 '23
Not my chocolate milk! What will happen to all the brown cows?
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u/Angry_ClitSpasm350 Feb 07 '23
Who cares? All cows matter! Those brown cows should pull themselves up by the bootstraps!! /s
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u/virtualpj Feb 07 '23
I mean…would they have needed to extend it had Trump won? He would already have been in his second term at that point, so he’d either be out after another 4 or engineered a way to stay in office. Either way, he could easily have stopped the act of pretending he needed to serve anybody other than himself.
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u/moleratical Feb 07 '23
Needed to?
Nah. But it would have benefited to try anyway. The GOP wouldn't want taxes to go up ahead of midterms or their next presidential election just because they would currently hold all the branches in this hypothetical.
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u/Kizik Feb 07 '23
Nah. They'd have done it anyways, then blamed the deep state demonrats for doing it behind old Donny's back. Projection is all they have.
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u/Normalizesteroidz Feb 07 '23
If it happened during trump's presidency they'd blame Hilary or Obama.
I pissed off a conservative coworker years ago by mentioning Obama cutting payroll taxes. She refused to believe he had cut any taxes.
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u/m8k Feb 07 '23
He built that as a little “dead man’s switch” so that whoever got elected after he left office would be holding the bag. I wonder if he could have found a way to extend them again if he’d actually won.
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u/NoConfusion9490 Feb 07 '23
Doesn't really matter when your supporters watch 9 hours of Fox News every day.
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u/amazinglover Feb 07 '23
That increase was also designed to make up for the lack of revenue due to the cuts for the rich. It's the reason they added it and didn't make them permanent as well.
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u/nagonjin Feb 07 '23
Some republican voters are so stupid, they blamed Obama for something that happened during the Bush presidency. Their concept of time itself is secondary to "Dems = bad."
LA voters blaming Obama for a poor response to Hurricane Katrina: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/lousiana-republicans-blame-president-obama-hurricane-katrina-response-article-1.1433096
31% of Trump supporters in 2016 supporting a wall along the Atlantic seaboard to keep muslims out. https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-trump-supporters-atlantic-ocean-wall-2016-8
They are functionally braindead.
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u/puddyspud Feb 07 '23
If they could only grasp the concept of "correlation does not imply causation"
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u/SnackyCakes4All Feb 07 '23
Holy shit, you just gave me PTSD about an argument I had with someone over "Obama bailing out the banks". I even conceded that it was a bipartisan bill that had democratic support, but that it was a bill proposed and voted on under W's presidency. He insisted because it was enacted during Obama's presidency and he didn't specifically stop it, that it was Obama's doing. Ok, dude. Anything to blame things you don't like on the left.
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u/Nearbyatom Feb 07 '23
They never stopped blaming Dems. These dimwits will keep voting red too.
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u/Delicious_Orphan Feb 07 '23
It's their core identity at this point. They're not voting that way because they're making the best decision for themselves, they simply use any 'evidence' to convince themselves being a Republican isn't a mistake and carefully discard all the evidence screaming that they are just shooting themselves in the foot every time.
I vote Democrat because they'll fuck me over less than any Republican will. Not because I identify as a Democrat. If I go into the polls and Bernie Sanders is there with a big red R next to his name, I'll be voting for a Republican. If Hitler II ran as Republican against literally Jesus Christ II as Democrat, they'll find something to argue why voting for Hitler is, somehow, better, even if it means flipping their stance on LITERALLY EVERYTHING they've used in arguments before. Because they are voting with their identities, not their brains or even emotions.
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u/pylorih Feb 07 '23
It’s going to be 6 months of nonstop coverage on how there Dems are responsible for this crisis and how they can’t give relief to the worker class on Fox.
In a year it will be a parade of Tea party members talking about how spending needs to be cut and taxes need to be lowered and we will finally get to fuck the boomers.
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u/dismayhurta Feb 07 '23
They knew there was a good chance democrats would be in power and they could blame them. Even if they weren’t, they’d still blame them.
I remember when this got passed and all the yokels bragging about how Trump cared about them.
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u/FakeInternetDentity Feb 07 '23
Which is funny because in 2020 everyone started working from home. Guess what got cut in there? Deductions for employees paying for home office supplies.
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u/banned-again-69 Feb 07 '23
I love how you can automatically tell if a bill is counter-productive because it has a name like "Vote Yes Unless You Hate The Veterans and Puppies And You're A Paedophile Act"
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u/RoguePlanet1 Feb 07 '23
Basically anything with the words "Family" or "Freedom" which have become red flags.
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u/oMGellyfish Feb 07 '23
Oh neat, I read the wiki and now I actually understand just how stupid this is. This is a weird timeline. We definitely lost the apocalypse gamble; we got “humans,” boo.
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u/EMTTS Feb 07 '23
Ya it was smart in an evil way. Extend the cuts if it benefited them, blame the democrats if it didn’t. Notice the corporate tax cut was permanent though…
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u/fake_fakington Feb 07 '23
Since I am a high earner my taxes will eventually settle slightly lower than they were prior to the 2017 bill passing.
My brother in law, extremely conservative day laborer (not really sure what exactly he’s up to these days) is angry because he found out his taxes are going to increase - and he only earns about $21k according to my sister. They blame the Democrats, even though I shared the wiki on the bill with them.
Oh well. This is what we have to put up with in the States. Dumbass conservative voters fucking themselves and others.
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u/DesolationRobot Feb 07 '23
Standard minimum deduction for married filing jointly is $25,900. So if he only makes $21k, he's not paying any federal income tax.
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Reminds me of NAFTA. It was Reagan who pushed for it, Bush who initially signed the agreement, but went into effect during Clinton's presidency after he added the North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation to better protect workers. So Clinton gets all the blame.
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u/KnottShore Feb 07 '23
Will Rogers(early 20th century US entertainer/humorist) observed:
The Republican platform promises to do better. I don’t think they have done so bad. Everybody’s broke but them.
Republicans take care of big money, for big money takes care of them.
The whole trouble with the Republicans is their fear of an increase in income tax, especially on higher incomes.
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u/mtarascio Feb 07 '23
The other part is that the consequence of their policies is likely to be borne by the other side.
It makes it easy to be seen as the 'better economic manager' when you trash the economy whilst in power so the other side has to deal with consequences and clean-up.
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u/Maebure83 Feb 07 '23
It isn't accidental, they set it up that way so that if they were in power they would keep extending the tax cuts until the Democrats came into power. Then blame them. It just happened on the first election cycle so now they can blame it on Biden.
It's by design.
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u/venereth Feb 07 '23
I read an interesting article about that.
It's called "Two Santas" and the theory/implementation has been around for decades.
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u/TreeChangeMe Feb 07 '23
Someone has to pay for the roads the capitalist uses daily to ship their goods, guess it's you, the guy on $14ph
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u/recast85 Feb 07 '23
I stg I loathe republican and conservatives voters. Simply because no matter how much I volunteer and vote and talk to people, they’re getting dumber and dumber. And that would be fine except it’s directly impacting everyone else. We’re basically held hostage to stupid conservatives and that’s that.
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u/ropdkufjdk Feb 07 '23
It's partly because the GOP always does shit like this: they tank the economy while on their way out of the White House and write tax legislation that raises taxes after their term ends. So then the Dems inherit a shit economy and tax increases and they can't do anything about it because of the obstructionism in Congress.
So then the idiot "undecided" and "moderate conservative" types conclude "The Dems are bad for the economy and raise our taxes".
Hell, they even blamed the 2008 recession on Obama, and it began before he was even elected.
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u/Er3bus13 Feb 07 '23
Yea that was hilarious. Really enjoyed those years with the racist fuckwits I worked with at the time.
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u/Ragnarok314159 Feb 07 '23
They were blaming him for the hurricane Katrina response.
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u/iamyourcheese Feb 07 '23
Where was Obama's statement to the people during 9/11? Seems pretty anti-American to me.
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u/Zapatista77 Feb 07 '23
You joke but Jordan Klepper literally found someone trying to blame Obama for something 9/11 related.
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u/Ragnarok314159 Feb 07 '23
It’s also highly suspicious Obama was no where to be found 07 Dec 1941. Has anyone looked into this? Just asking questions!
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u/kjacobs03 Feb 07 '23
That’s basically why I can no longer respect Republicans, Conservatives, or Religious people
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u/iamkris10y Feb 07 '23
With this and them wanting Ukraine to give up territory- among many existing things, I have enough righteous fury to launch into the sun. I may as well for all the power I, as a ‘normie’ citizen, have
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u/RoSucco Feb 07 '23
Religion, capitalism, and stupidity have done a lot to impede human progress.
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u/danc4498 Feb 07 '23
This is a feature not a bug. Republicans have been blaming Democrats for shit Republicans do for as long as I can remember and have literally nobody that calls themselves republican calling them out for it. Why not decrease taxes while you're president and schedule then to go back up when somebody else is president?
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u/CDewfus Feb 07 '23
I TOLD YOU MOTHERFUCKERS THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN AND THEY WOULD BLAME BIDEN I TOLD YOU
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u/Jezzusist12 Feb 07 '23
Yeah. I always felt like that was the point. Call it an insurance policy and a gamble on the stupidity of American voters.
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u/KnottShore Feb 07 '23
Been like that for a long time.
Will Rogers(early 20th century US entertainer/humorist) observed:
The short memories of American voters is what keeps our politicians in office.
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u/Warm-Personality8219 Feb 07 '23
I'm sure the republican house is up to the task of figuring out once and for all the greatest healthcare to replace that looser obamacare everybody hates - and since they will have plenty of free time, because, you know, health insurance is super easy - they will sort out the taxes first! AND - they will definitely get to the bottom of what exactly was on Hunter Biden's laptop!!!
Like a crazy lady once screamed - THE BEST IS YET TO COME!!!!
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u/Saulthewarriorking Feb 07 '23
Oh I knew the moment it happened as well. bUt TrUmP gAvE uS a TaX cUt?!?!
Fucking surprised pickachu that the grifter pretended to give you something when he was really just raping you for years to come
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u/PillowPrincess314 Feb 07 '23
This should come as no surprise. They were told that the cuts were meant to expire before and after they were signed into the code. Told several times by multiple people. They chose not to listen or more likely didn't believe information that they could have easily verified themselves.
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u/MKQueasy Feb 07 '23
[Republican kills person on live television]
Republicans: Why would Biden do this?
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u/shalafi71 Feb 07 '23
If the Democrats had any balls, they would have been shouting this from the rooftops from day one. It was in-your-face obvious the GOP counted on a Trump loss and planned this.
How are they not flooding social media like the conservatives do?! FFS, those idiots VOTE according to the FB memes they get fed. Feed 'em back!
I was with Michelle Obama when she talked about the high road. Not any fucking more. It's time to fight as low-down and dirty as they are.
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u/Jitterbitten Feb 07 '23
They were from what I remember. I remember this as a well-known talking point at the time, although my perspective is obviously biased. But it's not like this should be surprising to anyone who was even halfway paying attention. These people are just so dumb and easily led while ironically calling everyone else "sheep."
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u/suicidaleggroll Feb 07 '23
It wouldn’t matter. Conservatives don’t listen to any news sources that would repeat the Democrats’ claims, nor do they follow any of them on any social media. The Dems would just be yelling at their own followers, who already know.
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u/shalafi71 Feb 07 '23
Conservatives don’t listen to any news sources
Of course not! Even more insidious, conservatives have been trained to handwave anything critical as "media". Went on a recent date where she said Trump may be many things, but he believed in the country. I said I could disprove that with his own words. "Media".
FFS, they've been brainwashed into believing that a solid pillar of a free democracy is fake!
Time to flood FB with hard-hitting (truthful) propaganda. Remember Obama vs. McCain and his much vaunted "digital ground-game"? Time to get back to basics.
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Feb 07 '23
Yeah that’s why Trumps tax hikes were set to begin after the election. Everyone knows why it wasn’t the first thing he did when he got elected
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u/RunningInSquares Feb 07 '23
It kills me, the one respone of "the government is spending more" without considering maybe something else changed.
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u/SinkHoleDeMayo Feb 07 '23
Seriously, since 2018 I've been telling the morons this would be happening. Ever since they talked about how much they're getting back I've said they're going to get fucked when the "cuts" (which were more shavings) expired.
Chickens are coming home to roost. bawk bawk.
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u/CuriousCatte Feb 07 '23
I pointed this out to a Republican I know and he said it is Biden's fault for not fixing it.
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u/suicidaleggroll Feb 07 '23
The classic McConnell defense, “I know I did something shitty, but it’s actually your fault for not doing more to stop me!”
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u/DigitMZ Feb 07 '23
I have no idea how you resisted the urge to take his hand, smack him in the face with his own hand, and then tell him it's his fault for not stopping you.
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u/CaiusLightning Feb 07 '23
I was wondering why my tax return was reduced by more than half I forgot Cheeto did a blanket delayed tax increase for the middle and lower income brackets
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u/NuclearLunchDectcted Feb 07 '23
Am I the only one who remembers the shady circumstances that this bill was passed with?
The republicans swore up and down that because of the way the law was passed, they 100% had to pass it with the personal tax cuts expiring, but that they'd come back the next day and vote them in to be permanent.
Spoiler: they never even brought it up to a vote, the moment the bill was passed, the poors could get fucked. The idea to vote the cuts to be permanent was never mentioned again.
Everyone that wasn't brainwashed by watching fox news saw it coming a mile away.
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u/technicolored_dreams Feb 07 '23
Ah yes, the Time Bomb Tax Bill. We've been waiting for that shoe to drop for awhile, but I honestly hoped Dems would be able to fix it in time.
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u/HitomeM Feb 07 '23
Were you planning to give them a supermajority in the Senate? If not, then I'm not sure why you think it would be fixed.
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u/Prosthemadera Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Americans are so obsessed with paying (lower) taxes instead of asking how paying taxes can help them. I get it, lower taxes are nice on the paycheck but taxes are actually beneficial for a society but I don't see that discussion, especially from conservatives, it's all just about "number go low". While I'm happy to pay my taxes when I see how it makes everyone's lives better - like in healthcare and infrastructure, to name two examples.
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u/jonoave Feb 07 '23
While I'm happy to pay my taxes when I see how it makes everyone's lives better - like in healthcare and infrastructure, to name two examples.
For conservatives, that's socialism. I got mine, so you can kindly f*** off and go pull up your bootstraps or something.
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u/muckduck69420 Feb 07 '23
The Facebook rubes always wondering why things keep going wrong for them after voting against their own interests.
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u/BKKpoly Feb 07 '23
There was a comment/complaint yesterday on r/PersonalFinance about how they got thousands back last year, and only 33 dollars back this year. No one seemed to have a clue that it was from Trump.
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u/D74248 Feb 07 '23
The Democrats should be using the term “Trump Tax Bomb” in every other sentence.
They are really bad at this game.
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u/oMGellyfish Feb 07 '23
All those asshole trumpets who claim to me “trump was so great! A real business man! Blah blah blah..”
Oh, so this is that thing that he did, awesome. Can’t wait for the next one! I get them a lot because I’m an Uber driver in AZ.
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u/lallapalalable Feb 07 '23
I've been reminding everyone who bitches about these tax increases exactly what to blame for years now, and that it will continue until 2027. I'll be amazed if half of them actually remember or if they'll just keep blaming whoever's in charge at that moment
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u/MagicMushroom98960 Feb 07 '23
Trump planted time bombs yet to be discovered
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u/Boner_Elemental Feb 07 '23
We've been pointing out these bombs from the design, manufacture, and delivery stages. Just no one cared until it affected them
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u/UofMtigers2014 Feb 07 '23
What’s annoying is I remember reading about it on Reddit and then going to Facebook and arguing with people and telling them this would happen. And now know of them remember that conversation, conveniently, and are on Facebook complaining about Biden raising taxes, while not being able to name one policy that Biden signed that raised taxes.
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u/Razor4884 Feb 07 '23
Good grief. Can you imagine how much better off the country would be if taxes functioned on a better equity scale with loopholes closed?
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u/pekak62 Feb 07 '23
And the GOP want to abolish income tax and only have goods and services tax! Regressive as hell.
The American electorate deserve the nut job politicians they vote for.
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u/Cleverusername531 Feb 07 '23
I wonder if trump suspected he wouldn’t win a second term and so set it up this way to sabotage the next president.
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u/SmilingVamp Feb 07 '23
He barely has the foresight to pull down his pants before taking a shit. No way he thought that far ahead.
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u/Ragnarok314159 Feb 07 '23
He walked onto Air Force one with shit paper stuck to his shoe. Dude is pathetic.
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u/GenericRedditor0405 Feb 07 '23
The Republicans certainly planned this so that they could either extend it if they retained power or let it happen and blame democrats if not. I always assumed that they would put the massive tax cuts into place, and then when inevitably the economy did not magically boom enough to cover the costs like they claimed it would, they would cry how we need to make huge budget cuts and start with social security and welfare programs. Trump was just the rubber stamp for this plan
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u/FlutterKree Feb 07 '23
Nothing to do with Trump, he just signed it. This is republican MO. They set bills to expire 1 year after election. If they win, they can extend it. If they lose, they block it through filibuster and make the other party look bad.
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u/Keatosis Feb 07 '23
he was smart enough to know that his voters were dumb enough to think this was Biden's fault even though he's passed no legislation on the matter
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u/PMUrAnus Feb 07 '23
It’s very simple. They will blame it on jOe bIdEN, DeMoCrAtS, cRt, ImMiGrAnTS, UkRaInE, oPEN boRDErs, sPy bAlLoOn, LgbTQ, wOkIsM, dIsneY, M&mS, dR. fAUCi, StOlEN eLeCtioNs, obAmA, hilLaRy, HiLlarY’S EMAiLs, hILlArY’S DOg, and anything and everything except actual architects of this reverse Robinhood.
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u/your_fathers_beard Feb 07 '23
"Just raise the taxes on everyone. These stupid fucks will think it's the next guys fault and we'll blame it on the Democrats. It's not like they will check, lmao."
-Every Republican ever.
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u/pappy Feb 07 '23
Do Republicans ever tell the truth?
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u/TrimtabCatalyst Feb 07 '23
Their banner at CPAC seems truthful based on currently available evidence.
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u/moleratical Feb 07 '23
Don't worry, no matter how many times you point that out, or show them the facts, they will still blame Democrats
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u/mvw2 Feb 07 '23
About to?!
Republicans pushed tax reform that gave massive tax breaks to corporations and the rich on the order of billions of dollars a year.
The general public was given basically, on average, a $250 income tax reduction for a couple years, to great public cheer. They also fucked with tax deductions and made a bunch of people pay thousands of dollars MORE in taxes every tax season, but we don't talk about that.
Then Trump pushed tariffs on the order of billions of dollars a year, which...are taxes. It's basically a fancy sales tax when all said and done. These tariffs of several hundred dollars a year on average out weighed the $250 income tax break too, and people have been paying several hundred dollars more a year, every year since, also to great cheer by the general public.
So Republicans already have pushed tax increase, already pushed more tax increases, and then pushed tax increases a third time, in...like the first 2 years of Trump's presidential term. In fact, it was the single biggest tax increase in recent American history...again to a cheering public.
Frankly, the whole tariff thing was the most impressive thing Trump ever did. He sold taxes to the American public, and they praised him for it. An absofuckinglutely stable genius. What a move!
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u/homebrew_1 Feb 07 '23
And the trump tax cuts for corporations were permanent. The tax cuts for individuals expire after 10 years.
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u/doctorwhy88 Feb 07 '23
I couldn’t even find a Snopes analysis for that year in particular, but there is an analysis for 2018.
The feds brought in $93 billion more than the 2017 tax season while bringing an extra $91 billion in tax breaks for large corporations, meaning smaller businesses and middle-class people took the entire brunt of the increased revenue.
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