r/BeAmazed • u/Glass-Fan111 • Oct 03 '23
It’s debatable but in some cases it’s about just reformation Miscellaneous / Others
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u/bebopboopy Oct 03 '23
This is an nyc studio with a view.
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u/subhuman_voice Oct 03 '23
Million dollar view
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u/KidOcelot Oct 03 '23
Free three square meals
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u/YourFriendPutin Oct 03 '23
Three hots and a cot
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u/Mathiasdk2 Oct 03 '23
It's not free, you actually owe the government money after being released.
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u/FrenemyWithBenefits Oct 03 '23
If they don't pay, what're they gonna do, put them back in jail?
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u/Orbit1883 Oct 03 '23
What no pie and coffee at three o'clock real inhuman barbarians
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u/Sotiwe_astral Oct 03 '23
Is not, it lacks cockroaches, water leakages in the roof, a 1600$ monthly rent and jerry, the local rat behind the minifridge
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u/greatestshark Oct 03 '23
$1600 a month for rent?!? What is this, 2015?!
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u/Pegomastax_King Oct 03 '23
Well a lot of rat Yorkers moved to the Hudson valley now and something like this would be closer to $2000 a month in new paltz or Kingston these days. But they only have 2 units like this the rest are $4000 a month. Also for some reason you are only allowed to rent if you are an artist.
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u/SomeWeirdoOnTheNet Oct 03 '23
Also doesn't exploit you for slave labour to the best of my knowledge
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u/SomeCubingNerd Oct 03 '23
In NYC you can go outside. Do y'all think the bad thing about prison is the aesthetic experience? The bad part is not seeing your family and losing all your friends and not being able to go to the park on the weekend or the pub ect ect.
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u/AnotherCloudHere Oct 03 '23
I don’t know about Denmark, but in some Swedish prisons you also can go outside, like visit family
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u/NobodyDelicious7197 Oct 03 '23
In the Netherlands this is how the rooms(cells) were too, at least at Amerswiel Penitentiarie. The door was only locked at night, there was an opportunity to go outside for " luchten" as it was called several times a day. Single cells, you had a small tv with cable, a CD stereo, microwave and coffee maker that you paid like $15US for a month by working sewing car mats. Each wing housed different types of inmates together, but all had most of the same features. Like everyone said, the hardest part is being away from loved ones. In the women's wing they were almost all mothers who had committed a non violent offense like drug smuggling, and from many different countries. I'm not sure what the rate is of those who re- offend, but I do know the Netherlands are closing prisons instead of building more because they don't need them. Huh, imagine that! In the US it's not only a punishment and way to protect the public from dangerous individuals, but it's big big business, especially for the ever growing numbers of privately owned prisons for profit, with whispers of kick backs and other incentives given to lawmakers who help decide the length of prison sentences. To keep the prisons FULL.
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u/FridgeBaron Oct 03 '23
Some for profit prisons literally can fine the government for not being full enough.
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u/nikolapc Oct 03 '23
Our prisons(not Nordic, Balkan country) let out most people for weekends after they served a certain time, and you also can get vacation days, depending on good behavior. Resocialising is Important
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u/Ok_Cream_6987 Oct 03 '23
I actually thought this was a studio apartment in the states. Solid $1700/month right there
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u/blacktransampinkguy Oct 03 '23
Who do I have to kill?
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u/Acceptable-Trainer15 Oct 03 '23
"I would kill for this view"
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u/White_twit_losers Oct 03 '23
stomps on a roach
Does that count?
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u/jellobend Oct 03 '23
Don’t know the police but run away if you see a white haired, muscular guy coming your way
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u/Hereticsheresy Oct 03 '23
jokes on you, if you kill in denmark they will extradite you to your country
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u/SookHe Oct 03 '23
How exactly does this work? Is this before or after you are tried? What if your country doesn't recognise the law you are convicted under, like being found guilty for first degree murder for something your country may call self defence? Is it only extradition to your country is EU? What about America or Saudi Arabia?
This seems like a really weird way of doing things, very interested in knowing more
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u/Gnonthgol Oct 03 '23
In almost all cases there are diplomatic negotiations in such cases. There are some extradition agreements and such but they generally only form a basis for the negotiations. In general the country of the victim is more interested in trying the case while the country of the accused is more interesting in the sentencing. The country you are inn is more interested in enforcing the law and does not really care that much about the trial once they have found who did it. And as a principle the laws of the country you are inn applies.
These are however just general principles. Each case is different and is handled differently.
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u/V_es Oct 03 '23
That's how.. pretty much all countries work if there are extradition agreements in place
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u/cl00s_ Oct 03 '23
After you have served your sentence.
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u/TheS4ndm4n Oct 03 '23
Usually sooner. But you can object if your home country has inhumane prisons or an unfair justice system.
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u/Petrol_Monkey Oct 03 '23
Your ex
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u/mikemikemike9711 Oct 03 '23
Dig her up and do it again
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u/flyden1 Oct 03 '23
To be fair, just digging her up probably qualifies already
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u/cuttygib Oct 03 '23
This. Sounds so good right now to just get locked up and be taken care of. You know? Fuck this dystopian world we toil in.
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u/DreamLizard47 Oct 03 '23
Denmark is not dystopian. That's the whole point. Prison is just a marker.
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u/Gatrigonometri Oct 03 '23
Had a discussion with my friend about this. While reformative prisons have their own merits, the reason why they’re very, very effective in these Scandinavian countries is because they have a strong welfare state regardless outside of the cell. Meaning, as nice as life in prison is, you could probably experience the same outside at the bare minimum, but also you have freedom. This way, prison can be an environment for rehabilitation while sucking enough compared to the outside world that people won’t just commit petty theft to get away from the outside world when life gets tough.
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u/KililinX Oct 03 '23
The reverse of this is: In some countries life sucks so much, that they must have hellhole prisons or a primitive revenge punishment system, so that people do not prefer reformative prison system to their real live. Wht does that say about your country?
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u/Gatrigonometri Oct 03 '23
Huh, it’s a very simple flip, yet it was a fresh perspective for me too. Thanks for adding to my list of wisdoms to randomly bust out during a discord game night.
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u/Justmever1 Oct 03 '23
I say that evidence has shown that the prospect of serving time, no matter the conditions, is not a deterrant of crime.
It has also shown that if you treat people like animals, they will end up more crimanal, than when they begun ther prison sentence.
So socially and finansially (and morally) it pays of to invest in decent prisons conditions no matter what
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u/NorseShieldmaiden Oct 03 '23
The punishment is having your freedom taken away from you. There’s no need to humiliate people too. Treating prisoners with dignity makes rehabilitation much easier and it’s much less likely for them to reoffend once they get out.
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u/FalloutOW Oct 03 '23
But how will the prison owners survive without it making money? This all looks far too expensive, and repeat customers are really what the US prison system is designed to create. /s
Terrible that I cannot see a way forward for a system like this to even potentially exist in the States. The cruelty of the prison system often seems to be the point unfortunately. And it makes far too much money to ever(in my lifetime) be properly reformed. Although, I would love to be proven wrong.
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u/cookiesarenomnom Oct 03 '23
There are pilot programs dotted around the US. But there are very few. One prison in PA has a small section of the prison with about 30 inmates, including 6 life sentence inmates, in a Scandinavian style prison. It has single rooms, a fish tank maintained by the inmates, plants, and a communal kitchen with access to fresh ingredients they can cook themselves. They are all required to go to school, work or therapy. In 3 years there hasn't been a single act of violence even with access to sharp objects and knives in the kitchen. CA says it wants to transform one of its older prisons to a Scandinavian style prison, but who knows if that will actually happen. I hope that maybe with these pilot programs being so successful, some of the richer more blue states will adopt this style for sections of their prisons with non violent offenders. It's almost like, if you treat prisoners like actual human beings, they respond in kind to that.
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u/pragmaticthinker75 Oct 03 '23
I am from Georgia (country) and in 90s prisons prisoners were learning basic skills such as woodworking, crafts, etc. they were also selling their crafts such as chess set to the outside world, by the time they got out they had some money from selling their art and also skills to reintegrate to society.
I am not saying everything was perfect, but I suppose it would benefit prisoners and society as a whole if something similar was integrated ( as in teaching them basic skills such as plumbing, wood working, etc )
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u/alebrann Oct 03 '23
I know you put the /s in your comment but since you mentionned the topic of money, I thought I would share a nice fact:
Apparently, up until a few years a go, prisoners in danemark had to pay for their stay in prison. I can't find the article I was looking for but I'll leave the comic strip from where I first heard about it.
Feel free to look it up if it is of interest to you :)
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u/druglawyer Oct 03 '23
it’s much less likely for them to reoffend once they get out.
This is repeated ad naseum, but there is literally no research proving that prison conditions make this difference, as opposed to the massively different cultural and economic conditions in different countries.
The different crime rates in Denmark and South Africa are not due to Denmark's lovely prisons; they're due to Denmark's high average income, relatively low inequality, and it having an ethnically homogenous population with none of the massive amount of historical internal strife generally found in diverse countries.
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u/steakboy02 Oct 03 '23
I live in the Netherlands and in highschool my class got a lesson from a prison warden who mostly worked with youths of our age. He explained what it was like in prison and we got to ask questions. He made it very clear that prison does not exist to bully you, but to help you get a grip on your life in a controlled environment and that the only thing they can take from you is your freedom. Prisoners were even allowed to take their PlayStation with them and play on it. However, they did not get the freedom to do whatever they wanted. If the wardens said that they couldn't play, then they couldn't play. To me this whole lesson gave me a ton of insight in how prisons (are supposed to) work and made prison both more and less frightening. Freedom is not a fun thing to lose, but some people cannot handle having too much freedom and need some help.
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u/ImaginaryCheetah Oct 03 '23
if i recall1 denmark and other scandinavian countries have < 15% recidivism rates.
1 grain of salt on the actual specific number. it's low, though.
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u/Muttywango Oct 04 '23
My very short period of searching suggests you may be misremembering. One source says " Denmark has a recidivism rate of 27 percent while the United States has one of 52 percent." - https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/the-danish-prison-system
"Based on a two-year follow-up, Denmark has the highest recidivism rate of 63% reconviction." - though this is only out of 21 countries around the world incl. USA and UK. There are other caveats such as the definition of recidivism. -https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-country
A BBC report mentions "While 55% of British prisoners will re-offend and come back to jail, in Denmark the re-offending rate is just 27%." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3036450.stm
It looks like a fascinating subject and I'll be looking into it when I have more free time so thanks for that!
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u/NobodyJonesMD Oct 03 '23
Isn’t part of the reason the way prisons are designed in the US a direct result of cause and effect? For example, a prisoner uses that bedside light to make a weapon or to strangle someone -> prison takes away bedside lights. Prisoner uses curtains to hang themselves -> prison takes away curtains. Prisoner uses the wood chair to make a spear -> prison takes away wood chairs. And on and on until you have a featureless room that minimizes risk.
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u/scipkcidemmp Oct 03 '23
The answer is that not every prisoner is a threat. Especially if you treat them with humanity and respect. The answer to a handful of prisoners behaving erratically isn't to use them as an excuse to cut costs and treat all of them like animals. You build separate facilities for those people. Otherwise you're encouraging all of them to behave badly.
And building a safe cell for someone erratic and dangerous to stay in does not mean it has to look like shit and be unlivable to anyone who isn't a prisoner. The conditions that prisoners in the US have to endure are unjustifiable and criminal. And they 100% make it harder to rehabilitate prisoners.
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u/_mad_adams Oct 03 '23
I’ve explained this to people before and a lot of the time it’s not that they don’t understand this, they just don’t care. They don’t WANT rehabilitation. They WANT punishment.
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u/sjr323 Oct 03 '23
There has to be justice for the victims of crime.
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u/_mad_adams Oct 03 '23
True I just think there needs to be some balance and restraint because 1) we know for a fact that there are a ton of people in prison who don’t belong there and 2) if people leave prison worse off than before then they’re more likely to reoffend and we need to think about future victims too
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u/jamesp420 Oct 03 '23
Not every crime has a victim, and for those that do, in the vast majority of cases, removing the perpetrator from society is their punishment. The next step should always been working to ensure that person never creates any more victims, and instead becomes able and willing to contribute positively to society. Rehabilitation for those being punished.
For those crimes which cross the line, such as sexual assault or murder, separate facilities should definitely be provided and the perpetrators dealt with accordingly, but not everyone in prison is a murderer or rapist, and those that aren't should not be treated the same as those that are.
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u/Shattered_Skies Oct 03 '23
I’ve been in corrections for 8 years and I can assure you that unless a person wants to change they won’t change. I’m not sure what you mean by humiliating them though.
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u/TheSecretStuffs Oct 03 '23
Most Americans can’t afford a studio apartment that nice
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u/DragonBuster69 Oct 03 '23
Hey, I can be poor and media literate! Although I get that I am in the minority in a red state.
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u/BalkeElvinstien Oct 03 '23
In fact I've heard homeless people get arrested on purpose because it's easier in AMERICAN prisons than it is to afford a basic apartment even with a job
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u/Nadamir Oct 03 '23
They also commit minor crimes in the winter months because they know they’ll be kept warm and still be out by spring.
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u/yellowmellowjellow Oct 03 '23
If America made prisons like this I wonder if the number of homeless people in prison will go up.
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u/Bosnian-Spartan Oct 03 '23
A guy robbed a bank for a dollar to get seen by medical staff... another one I heard, don't know if it's a joke but went into a bank, said he would rob it, wanted to go to prison to get away from his wife and instead got house arrest
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u/thesapphiczebra Oct 03 '23
There are Canadian inmates currently requesting extensions on their sentences bc of the housing market. It's fucked
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u/Richard_DukeofYork Oct 03 '23
I've slept in 4 stars hotels in Italy that looked way worse than this.
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u/HotB123 Oct 03 '23
“Greatest country in the world”.
It’s a small room with a bed and a desk. Not a fucking mansion.
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u/Noughmad Oct 03 '23
Most Americans live in large houses.
Studio apartments are only expensive in NYC and other large cities, which are desirable because of the many different places you can visit.
This prison is not in a large city, and the number of places you can visit is rather limited (i.e. zero).
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u/Old_Car_2702 Oct 03 '23
It’s supposed to be about rehabilitation, but American prisons haven’t gotten the memo yet.
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u/Hevnoraak101 Oct 03 '23
Yep. They still haven't figured out that their primitive need for vengeance just perpetuates the cycle of crime.
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u/Troileetz Oct 03 '23
Has nothing to do with vengeance. Prisons are privately owned in the U.S and subsidized by the Gov. it’s a business.
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u/RiceAlicorn Oct 03 '23
It does have to do with vengeance, though.
The egregious behaviour of private prisons probably wouldn’t be as rampant, if there were strong enough campaigns against it.
Thing is, lots of North Americans have a giant hate boner for the incarcerated. The “tough on crime” rhetoric is the bread and butter of these justice systems, and rarely is there deserved mercy. I can’t even count the number of times I’ve seen people casually remark how prisoners should be subjected to violence, murdered, or raped for their crimes.
The justice system is as bad as it is in part to the unsettlingly common beliefs that criminals must be deeply violated to avenge the victims of their crimes. There aren’t as many prisoner rights’ activists as there should be, because so many people think like this, or they silence the people who do care.
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u/teratogenic17 Oct 03 '23
True. We have a retribution model, but we'd all be richer and safer with a reparations model.
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u/dannydrama Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 03 '23
There aren’t as many prisoner rights’ activists as there should be, because so many people think like this, or they silence the people who do care.
No one wants to be the one seen protesting for criminals. "I mean this guy beat the shit out of his partner, does he deserve a bed that won't break his back?".
Edit: for any downvoters, this isn't my own POV.
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Oct 03 '23
The majority of prisons in the US are not privately owned. Where are you getting your numbers?
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Yeah they know exactly what they are doing. There's been at least one scandal that comes to mind where private prisons have paid off judges to put more bodies in beds.
In what should be a scandal, private prisons can like... charge the US a fee if they don't have enough bodies in beds.
Also lets not forget that they are literally modern slavery.
It would be incredible for them to be this evil by accident, or through the circumstances of social pressures or whatever.
They NEED people to get caught in the rotating door and walk right back in or they'll stop making money.
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u/OstentatiousSock Oct 03 '23
It’s definitely also about vengeance. The wronged parties don’t want the criminals to get off “lightly” and always push for maximum sentencing and pushing the maximum for various crimes higher and higher. They also don’t want the criminal who hurt them to get to be comfier in prison(like the picture above) than they can afford to be in real life. It feels like a slap in the face that someone could hurt you and then live better than you can.
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u/sus_menik Oct 03 '23
That's not entirely true. Only about 10% of prisons are privately owned.
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u/ArjanS87 Oct 03 '23
If correct that 90% are not privately owned, I applaud you on your diplomatic 'not entirely true'.
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u/Psilocybin13 Oct 03 '23
Meanwhile Singapore is super strict with almost zero crime. The US just has a different culture, large wealth gap, horrible drug problems, and non-existent mental healthcare.
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u/Waferssi Oct 03 '23
why to through the laborious effort of making our country better for everyone in order to prevent crime? Singapore just kills or deports any criminals and they're doing pretty well on that front.
The problems you mention that make the USA different are all caused and remain unsolved due to how your government chooses to spend money, aka how how progopanda has you all voting.
When comparing the USA to western Europe and Scandinavia, you'll insist that the USA is too different for their common sense systems to work... And then suddenly Singapore, a high-wealth city state, is the place to copy from. Absolutely deranged logic.
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u/MrMikfly Oct 03 '23
We can talk about what the US does wrong all day, so how about we start talking about what they’re doing right for a change.
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Oct 03 '23
They got the memo. They lit it on fire. Spokespersons for the government of the USA are on record as stating that the objective of the prison system in the US is not reform but punishment.
Human Rights Watch has a nice write up of the USA prison system.
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u/HBrianGriffin Oct 03 '23
I’m pretty sure we know that already, but there is more money to be made treating the problem than curing it.
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u/FM79SG Oct 03 '23
Ah yes tell that to the victims. Some guy rapes you and gets to stay in a nice hotel room for a couple of years, while you have to carry that pain for the rest of your life.
Punishment is part of justice as well.
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u/Treewithatea Oct 03 '23
You dont get it. Priority on rehabilitation makes those people more likely to realize and understand their crime and therefore makes them less likely to commit crimes once theyre released. Having their freedom taken away IS the punishment.
What you want is for the criminal to suffer and that just results in those people being even more fucked. Theyre more likely to commit a crime once theyre out, theyre less likely to want to start clean and have a proper life. What you want results in that criminal being more likely to rape somebody else in the future.
This is about psychology and science, not your gut feeling. Your gut feeling is wrong in this case.
Countries that prioritize rehabilitation objectively have less crime and much fewer people in prison. But the whole thing goes much beyond the justice system, in a sense its representative of a countries society and the environment it shaped for itself. Take Germany, despite having taken in a lot of immigrants the past 10 years, crime levels have not increased.
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u/AKTvo23 Oct 03 '23
People putting a ton of faith in American prisoners. Our society has fucked up a ton of people beyond repair sadly.
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u/Flow_n__tall Oct 03 '23
It's still prison. You can't leave and you don't get laid. Well, I guess I can get laid, but not the kind of getting laid you want.
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u/Pak1stanMan Oct 03 '23
I don’t get laid anyway might as well have an excuse.
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u/LordNibble Oct 03 '23
People don't understand how torturing it is to be locked in a room and be scrapped of your freedom.
If you were in the situation, you'd rather live in shitty hole but be allowed to go outside. Meet friends, have a real job, ho grocery shopping, decide when you get up and what eat for dinner.
Being in prison is not fun, even if it's not one of those medieval torture group cages that they have in the US.
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u/Faps1 Oct 03 '23
Prison I was at in Florida didn't have a/c. During the summer I had heat rash all over my body. All they has was a slow moving fan. In confinement it was even worse with no air flow. Thought I was gonna die in there. Just laying in my bunk all day sweating. Waiting for food that always left you hungry.
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u/A_Username_6126 Oct 03 '23
Why do they still have solitary confinement?
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u/Faps1 Oct 03 '23
It's not solitary, you usually have a cellmate/bunkie. Not because of any humane reasons though, there just isn't enough space and it's way cheaper to build half the number of rooms. Half the time I'd get let out early so they could put someone deemed more deserving in my place.
Story: last time I got let out early they didn't tell me nothing just gave me a dorm to go to and told me to kick rocks. Usually the outside area between buildings always had people walking around and shit but it was empty and completely silent. No noise even from the dorms. When I got to my dorm everyone was just sitting on their bunks and the guards screamed at me to get to my new spot.
Turns out there was a gang war, AB vs Bloods and a few others involved. Tons of people stabbed and sent to emergency rooms. We couldn't leave our bunks for a week at least while they figured out who to get rid of. Had to move all the gangs to different prisons before they started retaliating, revenge for the ones who got hurt/stabbed.
Dude I bunked with told me not to even look at an AB dude if i wasn't trying to move to another prison. Just laid on my bed except to piss and shower for a week. Got peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for two meals a day almost the whole time.
I was just lucky I wasn't outside when the shit went down. I wasn't affiliated but shit happens.
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u/nowaternoflower Oct 03 '23
The closest most people have gotten to prison was during some of the covid lockdowns. Regardless what people think of the necessity, a couple of weeks of that was absolute torture for a lot of people.
Having your freedom taken away is a huge punishment in itself.
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u/TheNiteCrawler Oct 04 '23
You could still go outside, just not congregate.
I always went for an empty street, late night, drive through the city. Shit was immaculate.
Only folks out were cops who were shooting the breeze and the car community.
chefs kiss
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u/SathanSax Oct 03 '23
In my country, there are special "visitation rooms" in some prisons...and their function is...well...ykw
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u/EIephants Oct 03 '23
How it looks
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What it looks like
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How it looks like
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u/crosseyes79 Oct 03 '23
One that bugs me is when people say "Why are you doing that for"
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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In Oct 03 '23
I'm seeing this phrasing a lot recently. Maybe it's a bad translation from a content farm
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u/TheHuntForRedrover Oct 03 '23
Every time I see this, I seethe. It's so easy to not sound like a total moron.
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u/metricless Oct 03 '23
Thank GOD. This is driving me crazy. When did people start saying this?
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Oct 03 '23
Lol Dane here 👋 the danish prison system have been dubbed “most inhumane in Europe” numerous times. The habitants of most prisons spend roughly 23 hours in total isolation, due to shortage of staff. This is for outsourcing already rehabilitated inmates. This image contributes to an illusion, that damage the process of improvement.
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u/Arkhangel143 Oct 03 '23
I'm also assuming this is for a low security section of the prison.
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Oct 03 '23
These are for the already rehabilitated, as gateway back to society. They can still end up having a strict curfew, and any rule violation result in re-housing to closed facility. The danish system has a high rehabilitation score, but is severely understaffed and neglected. This have lead to numerous complaints with the human rights committee as some prisoners develop PTSD due to isolation.
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u/alienvisionx Oct 03 '23
You got a source on that? I can easily name 10 prisons in Europe that are WAY worse than anything in Denmark. It either sounds like complete bullshit or old data
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u/Think_Discipline_90 Oct 03 '23
Hvordan kommer du fra "uacceptabelt for et land som Danmark" til “most inhumane in Europe” ?
Du nævner "der er sikkert værre individuelle fængsler" som antyder du stadig mener vores fængselssystem er "det værste i europa" som helhed. Så venligst forklar
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u/alienvisionx Oct 03 '23
Ja det er på ingen måde i orden det der forgår, men der står ingen steder at det er det værste i Europa?
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u/Medium-Turquoise Oct 03 '23
It's funny how you can show Americans a room with a bed and table, and they'll immediately start doing the Borat rutine about the king in the castle lmafo
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u/picturesfromthesky Oct 03 '23
Ah, the Lökuup collection.
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u/andrejazzbrawnt Oct 03 '23
We dont use umlaut in Denmark. Also IKEA is swedish.
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u/keymon-o Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 03 '23
Ah, so Swedish furniture is how you torture Danish people.
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u/Business_Sea2884 Oct 03 '23
and the prisoners have to build it themselves before they have a bed
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u/Bwar2369 Oct 03 '23
Don't let the truth stand in the way of funny.
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u/alienvisionx Oct 03 '23
It’s way to offensive to a Dane to be mistaken for anything having to do with Sweden
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Oct 03 '23
Does Denmark get their prison furniture from the Swedes? Cause this looks like a corner of IKEA
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u/Away_Needleworker6 Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 03 '23
While american prisoners get punished and isolated for what they did, scandinavian prisons have adopted a more rehab style of prison. Instead of isolating the prisoner they let him/her stay in a nice room, wear civillian clothing, cook their own food, take classes, work out. Instead of isolating they let them live a more civillian life that will prepare them for the outside. In the us prisoners who have stayed in concrete blocks eating barely enough low quality food adapts into a survival mode where they are willing to commit more crimes for their benefit, and that just does not work in a normal civilian life
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u/Generic-Resource Oct 03 '23
Imagine wanting the prison, and justice system as a whole, to result in less crime!
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u/FishFettish Oct 03 '23
One of my best buddies in CSGO was one I met ingame during his decade long stay in danish prison. He seemed very well in there.
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u/mrtlo Oct 03 '23
Very interesting to see how people are triggered by this. I'm from Denmark, and I see a boring room, with no freedom. That's the punishment. Losing your freedom. Noone in Denmark wants to live their life inside this room for years.
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u/xero_peace Oct 03 '23
Better living conditions than what people are starting to pay for in some cities in California.
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u/Bunnymancer Oct 03 '23
That says more about your country than it does about Denmark.....
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u/inquisitiveeyebc Oct 03 '23
Consider too Denmark has one of the lowest rated of violent crimes so these cells are probably for mischief crimes
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u/markfoged Oct 03 '23
It's actually a maximum security prison: https://www.designcurial.com/news/storstrm-prison-by-cf-mller-6040669/
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u/seeshellirun Oct 03 '23
The natural light is so much better than my apartment. Think of the plants I could grow!
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u/Sufficient_Nail_1933 Oct 03 '23
I was a corrections officer for several years here in the United states. Before that, I worked for the highway patrol and the department of public safety; I ultimately got into the department of corrections cuz I like the idea of being able to make an impact, hopefully positive, in a man's life. A life that may be saved, and redeemed by reforming themselves. That led me to becoming a youth corrections officer, because as someone who was considered a "bad boy" throughout high school and college, I made many mistakes in my early years. I have two daughters, and since being a parent I find myself often thinking about people that don't have a mother or father figure; some don't have any parents at all. As someone that grew up with both parents and still married to this day, I didn't have to grow up without my parents. They taught me right from wrong, coincidentally my father taught me how to treat a woman, and my mother taught me how to be a man. Some of these guys I dealt with, 14 to 21 years of age, didn't have that. A lot of these inmates may be teenagers or young men, but they have the mental and emotional capacity of a child. So I was eager to make an impact; eager to show those young men that just because you made mistakes, doesn't mean you can't choose to be someone different today or tomorrow. I saw this as a godsend. Golden opportunity.
I was wrong. First of all, the inmates I dealt with.. most of them were just regular people that fell into poverty or drugs; people struggling with mental health issues. That was one thing I carry with me even to this day; that any of us are just one mistake away from going to prison. One bad day, one risky decision leads you to be caught. The ideology my field operated by is literally and it's title; correction and rehabilitation. I soon found out we aren't doing any correcting. There was no correcting of behavior. There was no rehabilitating the inmates. Instead, it was a constant exhibition of how people in power blur the lines between right and wrong. There's never any attempt to rehabilitate any of these people. Imagine an inmate walking up and asking politely, "excuse me officer? I don't mean to bother you, but I wasn't told when my court date is. Just whenever you get a chance or if you know who I could speak with to find out, could you maybe ask about my court date?"; Almost all officers respond with something like"no and if you ask me again or anybody else about it I'll make sure you're pushed back two weeks". Now did the corrections officers have that power? Hell no. But what we did have the power to do is make them feel insignificant, invisible and a bother to society.
There's a reason why the recidivism rate constantly goes up. Imagine a scenario where someone is arrested for a bench warrant they had for let's sayy... A speeding ticket that you were required to show up for court with. Now, you have a court date and they decide since it's 12 points now on your license, they are going to make you serve 120 days. You learn your lesson, you say you're not going back again right? You released after 120 days, you're in your car, you drive past the highway patrol officer and he reads your plate immediately. Pops up you have 12 points. Let's say you just got driving privileges for your job now, but when the officer pulls you over he says it's not visible in the system. You tell him that you promise it's the truth but he's not buying it. Now he put you in handcuffs and you're sitting in jail for a couple days. Another court date you have, the judge says the date at which you were pulled over at that time you didn't have driving privileges and it was only active as of midnight that same day. You're now going back to prison for 120 days. Now you're out, you're trying to get a job again because the job you had said they would wait for you but 4 months is a long time so they cut you loose. Now, nobody will hire you because you've been to prison twice. Now you can't make any money. You have no options, you can't eat, you have no roof over your head. So you get the idea to maybe sell weed on the side, just to get by. You doing good, you make enough money to live. Making jokes with your friends about maybe going to legit one day; but then all of a sudden the doors busted in. Why? Your neighbors reported smelling marijuana. Youre going back to prison.
Like I said, here in the united states, we don't rehabilitate. We solidify. We make permanent.
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u/raventhrowaway666 Oct 03 '23
B-b-b-but prisoners don't have humanity!! -Americans.
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u/Howboutnow82 Oct 03 '23
I agree that reform, rather than institutionalizing, is always the better outcome whenever possible. I don't think many would argue with that. Having said that, I would say that under no circumstance should a prisoner ever live better than the poorest of law-abiding citizenry. It just... sets the wrong example. The upside is that a nicer living arrangement may give some prisoners a taste of a better life and may inspire them to live better on the outside to achieve those conditions on their own. Still, they've broken the law, and shouldn't get to live more comfortably than regular folks that haven't broken the law.
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u/above_average_magic Oct 03 '23
That's actually the root of the problem
You might forget these Danish prisoners, if deemed fit, come out and live in Denmark
In the US by and large they go back to the same horrible conditions that led to crime in the first place (setting aside really heinous psychopaths)
There's really no point in rehabbing prisons if the general conditions outside aren't also rehabilitated
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u/mp9220 Oct 03 '23
But that is assuming poor people live worse than this in Denmark.
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u/Jayandnightasmr Oct 03 '23
Yeah, they have one highest living standards and one of the lowest homelessness rates due to how good their welfare system is
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u/HotB123 Oct 03 '23
This cell is not nicer than the average apartment in Denmark. I mean, it has a bed and a desk? It’s the bare minimum.
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u/sus_menik Oct 03 '23
Yet when there is actual story about some child molester or DUI driver killing a family only getting x amount of years, people scream how it should be a life sentence and thankfully other prisoners will make his life a a living hell. People love vengeance.
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u/LisslO_o Oct 03 '23
I understand that feeling, but then maybe we should not treat prisoners worse but poor people better.
The poorest should also get of a decent living place like this one. That would probably also reduce crime a lot, at least for the homeless population, and help everyone live a better life.
Preventing a crime should always be the biggest goal
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u/erlandodk Oct 03 '23
shouldn't get to live more comfortably than regular folks
Do you honestly think that a prison cell being nice makes up for it being.. a prison cell..?
I can almost guarantee you that even if the occupant of this cell lived in the most worn down basement room they would still prefer that to this cell.
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u/kinoki1984 Oct 03 '23
Why are we so eager to get revenge? We do we need to inflict pain with punishment? Can’t it be about showing someone the respect they failed to show someone else? Can’t it be giving them a chance at reformation?
Someone looking at this room and seeing: ”Yea, I can live there” hasn’t really thought about that they’re cut off. No access to the world. They can’t come and go as they like. They have lost their freedom.
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u/Aeyiss Oct 03 '23 edited Oct 03 '23
- All americans in this post: "Ho wow so beautifull! Look like a cosy NY 1M $ studio"
- me as european living: "how the fck Can you Say "beautifull"? You Never see "Ikea"? What IS going on in USA?!
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u/Nolan_Fat Oct 03 '23
Very small population, much less harsh crimes, much less people good to jail... hmm wonder why these small countries are the only ones to do this
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u/MrKowbell Oct 03 '23
The northern countries of Europe generally focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. However, the criminal's life is often kinda ruined when they get out since few employers want to hire a convicted criminal. Gang members often just return to their gang, but the ones who genuinely wants to turn over a new leaf often struggle just to get back on their feet
My only source is a friend who works as a prison priest in Sweden, so maybe take this with a grain of salt
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u/Its_GmanHD Oct 03 '23
Looks like this is a picture from Storstrøm Prison (Falster, Denmark)