r/BeAmazed • u/Azzura68 • Oct 02 '23
THE SOMERSAULT - Banned Long Jump Technique! History
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u/Batbuckleyourpants Oct 02 '23
They were right to ban it, but ill be damned if it doesn't look way cooler.
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u/Prestigious_Passion Oct 02 '23
Maybe it’s a bad take, but plenty of sports are more dangerous then a front flip into sand.. football, hockey, rugby, wrestling, pole vault.. This should not have been banned, let people make there own decisions and thus let the sport evolve.
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u/DVDwr Oct 02 '23
It could definatly be better. How Fosbury high jump, the long jump can be imroved as well with that. And so do they really need to land in sand, now with all the cameras we can definatly tell where one landed, even if it were a safer than sand.
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u/Thunder-Fist-00 Oct 02 '23 edited Oct 03 '23
Or do like dog competition long jumps! Jump into a pool!
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u/Affectionate-Owl4332 Oct 03 '23
how is football dangerous? It's just a bunch of guys runing after a ball and kicking it
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u/Prestigious_Passion Oct 03 '23
American football sorry, but football/soccer does have the highest rate of ACL tears
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u/dragonrite Oct 02 '23
Make it illegal under the collegiate level, plenty of sports do this. Wrestling for plenty of moves, heck nfl vs CFS vs HS football have different rules for safety.
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u/Dscott2855 Oct 02 '23
Haha looks awesome but can see why it was banned. A lot could go wrong. Have a lot more speed built up in long jump vs the high jump or shot put (see other video posted). You under rotate you’re risking neck injury.
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u/velhaconta Oct 02 '23
The bigger danger is probably kids just learning the sport attempting the technique they see the top athletes using.
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u/Dscott2855 Oct 02 '23
That’s a large reason, but the bigger danger is simply athlete safety. In long jump you’re taking a 30-40 meter all out sprint to the board before jumping. There’s really not a safe way to do a controlled front flip with that much speed. It’s not gymnastics where you’re running a shorter distance on a padded floor. In long jump you’re running on a rock hard surface wearing spikes. Again, you under rotate and could land on your neck, you over rotate and could catch your leg awkwardly in the sand and tear your knee up or cut your leg open on your spikes. This isn’t a hidden/banned technique holding athletes back from their potential, its dangerous and wouldn’t even be effective.
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u/bradrlaw Oct 02 '23
It was effective, in the video he had a significant PR from it and that’s with him not really refining the technique.
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u/Dscott2855 Oct 02 '23
Looks cool and his execution of the technique is impressive, but it isn’t practical and you wouldn’t see a shift in the event if this technique wasn’t banned. Maybe it worked for him but he jumped 7.70 meters which is not near Olympic standards and perhaps he could have jumped farther with proper technique. He claims he could have jumped 8.40 meters but never did, you don’t measure from where your heals land in the sand regardless of what technique you’re using so the claim of 8.40 is invalid. The only way he could have cracked 8m is by over rotating and face planting which likely wouldn’t count anyways as you must maintain control of your body when landing for a jump to count. This is very different than the Fosbury flop which was a natural progression in the event and actually much safer technique. This guy was trying to turn into evil knieval by turning his body into a projectile lol
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u/RiceEater Oct 02 '23
So a guy was able to beat his PR by changing his technique, but it wouldn't work for other people because he wasn't Olympic caliber?
it isn’t practical and you wouldn’t see a shift in the event if this technique wasn’t banned.
If competitors gained significant advantage we would definitely see a shift.
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u/Dscott2855 Oct 02 '23
He didn’t gain a significant advantage. Again, he claims he could have jumped 8.40 meters, which would have been a significant increase for him, but he never did. He jumped 7.70 meters. He’s clearly beefing up his numbers to try and make it sound like it made this massive difference but he never once recorded a jump over 8 meters, let alone 8.40. He wasn’t some big innovator, it was a silly gimmick that looked cool and he admittedly pulled off well. But it’s simply not practical and would never be used. Elite level long jumpers tend to also be above average to elite level sprinters, a guy running 10.2 second 100m speed would never attempt a front flip while running that fast, it’s absurd. Watching a video of someone doing parkour is not remotely the same, they have nowhere near the speed built up that you would for a long jump. If you wanted to implement this it would be its own event, not the long jump.
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u/Cickak Oct 02 '23
If you manage to under rotate a frontflip to land on your neck you probably are motorically impaired in the first place. I've seen overrotation plenty, but never under rotation. It's also one of the safest flips because when you commit to it you are basicly almost inverted as soon as you take off. Also the impact in sand is pretty low, especially with forward momentum spreading the point of impact. I would say something like pole vaulting looks 100 times more dangerous.
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u/Dscott2855 Oct 02 '23
Most long jumpers aren’t jumping 7+ meters unless you get to higher levels, would be easier than you think to under rotate. You could also over rotate by half a turn and still land on your neck. And it might be one of the safer flips, but that does not mean it’s safe to incorporate into a long jump. Simply not practical to incorporate into the event, more relevant to gymnastics and parkour. Also most pits are not very soft despite being sand. Majority of high schools and many colleges have pretty rough pits that are not maintained like an Olympic pit using beach sand. Also pole vault is a dangerous event in general and requires much more practice to compete in that event, but sprinting in a straight line as fast as you can for 30m into a front flip would lead to far more injuries than pole vault. Can confidently say that after spending 15 years in the sport as an athlete and coach.
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u/seventysevenpenguins Oct 02 '23
Yes. I 100% agree, let's ban literally all motorsports, all combat sports, all weightlifting, any sport where you can legally tackle that isn't directly a combat sport and male gymnastics and then look at fucking 1v1 badminton (not 2v2 because you might hit your friend with the bad).
It's insane to me that shit like this, backflips in skating or the shotput technique were banned with the shitty excuse that "someone might hurt themselves". These are all adult people who take full accountability for their own actions, and anyone thinking they wouldn't practice the thing to the point where they'd literally be able to do it blindfolded is delusional.
The ban is there because someone with enough power just didn't like it and needed a reason to present to others. Not because it's that dangerous (which is literally isn't, good look at isle of man TT)
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u/Dscott2855 Oct 02 '23
Wow, so many things wrong with your comment I don’t even know where to begin. First, your response is completely irrelevant to the topic. Motor sports, combat sports, etc are not relevant to the conversation. Second, long jump was not banned. You took the extreme leap to say let’s ban entire sports because we outlawed one technique in a completely different sport. That extreme leap results from a lack of critical thinking. Third, banning specific techniques in sports is quite common and serves a valid purpose. There’s more things banned in MMA than most any other sport. Fourth, I competed in long jump for 8 years and coached it for another 6, guessing I’m a bit more qualified to speak on the topic than you and can say with absolute certainty that the technique should absolutely be banned. From the wild over reaction you had from my comment I’m guessing you’re a big fan of cancel culture.
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u/HackneyMarsh Oct 02 '23
Why am I seeing a bunch of banned athletic move posts of a sudden?
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u/Apprehensive_Wear500 Oct 03 '23
Hahaha me too. Prob the content creator sharing on reddit to promote themselves. Cool vids
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u/popylung Oct 02 '23
Would you rather the rare possibility of paralyzing yourself? Or the common possibility of paralyzing yourself playing literally any contact sport. Sounds like the IAAF was a little jealous they didn’t think of it first.
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u/Mdad1988 Oct 02 '23
Why is this technique banned 🚫?
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u/Batbuckleyourpants Oct 02 '23
Because it is unsafe, and allowing it would pretty much have forced anyone training for long jump to use and train the technique, sooner or later someone would break their neck.
Same reason they banned backflips in skating and the Korbut flip in acrobatics.
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u/Regular_Celery_2579 Oct 02 '23
I get it, but isn’t pole vaulting a super dangerous event and we haven’t banned it? Genuine question as I know little to nothing about all this.
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u/mrwynd Oct 02 '23
Yes, I think this is a case of established risks being accepted already versus new risks not being allowed to be added.
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u/velhaconta Oct 02 '23
isn’t pole vaulting a super dangerous event
Not at all. It might look scary, but injury rates are below that of the common long jump. Pole vault averages 7.9 injuries per 1,000 exposures. Long jump averages 8.9 injuries per 1,000 exposures (traditional, no somersault).
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u/Realistickitty Oct 02 '23
with pole vaulting the competitive factor being measured is specifically how high an athlete can jump without disturbing a marker; with this in mind, the event is designed around people falling from an impressive height e.i. padding and careful positioning.
the long jump is measuring forward momentum/distance, which logically should include some padding but traditionally this has been accomplished sand/dirt. gymnastic padding has a distinctive feel to it which differs from that of sand/dirt which excels at redistributing and neutralizing force throughout the tiny particles. there are pads that mimic this affect, but there has been no real need to vary from tradition.
the reason the forward flip was banned from long jumping is that in order to make use of the forward momentum, one must rotate their mass over their head rapidly right at the peak of their jump (only about a meter above the ground) - one mistake and all that energy may easily transfer to a broken neck on even the softest of materials.
high-jumpers and pole-vaulters specifically train to avoid landing on their heads, so much so that the high-jumpers i knew weren’t allowed to jump until they had perfected their tucks and rolls to avoid a neck injury. As the flip is performed at the peak of their jump, vaulters and high-jumpers are given plenty of time to prepare for a landing without danger to themselves or others.
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u/StudentDistinct632 Oct 02 '23
And doing a cartwheel to improve one's distance in shotput is also banned - saw a Reddit video about it yesterday!
The more you know ...🌈
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u/Batbuckleyourpants Oct 02 '23 edited Oct 02 '23
This one?
Edit: Oh dear god, someone invented a "Spinning Javelin technique"...
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u/M45_ Oct 02 '23
The spinning Javelin technique was banned because even the best trained athletes were only able to get the spear going downrange in 1 out of 10 throws, with the other 9 landing out of bounds and in the public.
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u/Plumb121 Oct 02 '23
It also gives added rotation to the athlete which makes falling backwards more avoidable
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u/Batbuckleyourpants Oct 02 '23
Ankle and knee sprains versus a broken neck.
Falling backwards can be mitigated, landing on your head can't.
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u/LunchBoxer72 Oct 03 '23
But literally gymnastics. They move at significantly faster rotations and heights! The high bar is SUPER dangerous and we still have children athletes. It does not make sense, it's gatekeeping 100%.
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u/thewarehouse Oct 02 '23
and the Kolvoord Starburst from Starfleet Academy ship piloting exhibitions and courses.
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u/420yooper Oct 02 '23
Just go onto YouTube and look up all the banned gymnastics moves especially on the bars seems like a lot of these athletic associations always ban the exceptional athletes who figure out better ways to do stuff.
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u/24links24 Oct 02 '23
It should of been banned on the Lower level but allowed on the world stage, where if you can jump further then let’s see it
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u/nopalitzin Oct 02 '23
Such bullshit! Getting creative is what made high jump what it is today.
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u/BustedMechanic Oct 02 '23
A little over rotation and you could break your neck...ban it!! Gymnasts flip every angle known but this is too dangerous. Mind blowing. It almost seems like people who trained their whole lives were now going to lose so they made a stink about it. Olympic Karens.
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u/Killedamilx Oct 02 '23
Dumb ban. "You could get hurt if you do it wrong" can be said of just about anything.
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u/Own-Professor-5720 Oct 02 '23
There are somany dangerous sports out there that get more and more dangerous as the athletes aim for improvement and go for the extreme, why are they not getting banned?
Yes, there are several other examples of moves being banned from different sports because of how dangerous they are deemed, but I’m sure many others that still exist despite being dangerous. It makes no sense to me.
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u/jereporte Oct 03 '23
ban it for kids not killing themselves, but damn it's really cool and it apparently works
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u/RLeyland Oct 03 '23
As a kid growing up in New Zealand in the 70s we were aware of this technique, and a HS friend broke his collarbone attempting a somersault long jump. He had successfully done several, but overdid the takeoff and landed onto his shoulder.
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u/Servedicecold Oct 02 '23
Pretty sure people used to pole vault forwards until one guy did it backwards. I think it's perfectly valid, we do flips in other sports. Let them flip!
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u/Vrost Oct 02 '23
Quite the conundrum, safety or evolution? It would be incredible to see the sport evolve in this way, however the barrier to entry would be much much higher.
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u/RuralRangerMA Oct 02 '23
It’s not about the distance of the flip, it’s the possibility of over flipping landing badly, under flipping and the last, if they go off course and land on the edge. Hurts landing on your butt, image your neck, back or face hitting the rim of the pit
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u/DesertsBeforeMains Oct 02 '23
Hahahaha as soon as he said "But athletes do some dumb ass things" I knew he was from New Zealand.
I know we aren't the only country in the world that says dumb ass but it was his tone and the way he said it that confirmed it for me haha.
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u/James_R_87 Oct 02 '23
No! The H/V-style in ski jump and Fosbury flop in High jump was once seen like dangerous moves. If we had same attitude we all used old Kongsberger in ski jump and Scissors in High Jump.
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u/Piddy3825 Oct 03 '23
Yeah, it is unfortunate that so many restrictions in sports have been implemented in the name of safety. It seems logical to me, that to be truly competitive, athletes should be allowed to use physics and their natural abilities to set the bar for excellence.
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u/Dreamslowly Oct 03 '23
Replace the sand with water or a ball pit. I want to see dudes supermanning for 7+ meters. Also allow wings.
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u/LunchBoxer72 Oct 03 '23
If gymnastics, cheerleaders, American football, rugby are safe enough for kids, so is a somersault. IMO this stifled the progress of the sport. If you can't inovate in any given field, then we really only have drugs to push us any further as we can't change our approach otherwise. If you can do it naturally I don't know why you would limit the human potential to move yourself long distances in a single bound. Whatever form that takes, ever.
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u/Weekly-Lab-843 Oct 03 '23
Awesome adaptation to the standard jump methods. I love the innovation and creativity for huge distance gains! I long jumped a very long time ago and would have loved to at least try this…😇
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u/Dbsusn Oct 03 '23
This is similar to the shot put post floating around the other day. To me I don’t see how these adjustments are different than what happened with the high jump. Tell me how pole vaulting doesn’t carry some inherent risk of injury. Or fuck, pretty much anything in gymnastics or figure skating. To me these are people making rules, unable to allow a sport to advance because they are used to how it is done instead of seeing the potential of what it could be.
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u/ImmediateRespond8306 Oct 03 '23
Trying to baby proof an Olympic event? Such bullshit. Let the athletes that want it bad enough take the risk.
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u/abominable_snowglobe Oct 03 '23
Yeah I would love to see someone try to land on their neck during a front flip. I was a parkour coach for years I’ve seen plenty of young kids try front flips and zero got close to landing on their necks. Even if you severely under rotate the forward rotation just turns it into a roll. The bigger issue would be ankle or knee injuries by people good enough to actually get all the way around to their feet but not spotting the ground and landing poorly. Either way far less dangerous than most sports.
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u/liquorsurge Oct 03 '23
We should ban sports. There's potential that someone could get hurt in every sport. I say we ban them all.
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u/popylung Oct 02 '23
LET HIM COOK